Take a virtual tour of the REAL nativity scene: 360 video shows the birthplace of Jesus in Bethlehem

You certain of that? It never happened?[CN]

你确定？这是没发生过？

Yep[CN]

是的

Jesus was a real person, who evidently did good things. Beyond that is for people to believe as they wish.[CN]

耶稣是真实存在的人，他也的确做了很多好事。之后人们相不相信就是看他们喜欢了

Whether or not you agree with the religious claims, Jesus was a historical person, just as much as Julius Caesar.[CN]

不管你信不信教，耶稣都是历史上存在的大活人，跟Julius Caesar差不多。

Where is the proof he existed?[CN]

哪里有证据说明他存在了？

You're confusing religion and the presence of a historical figure.[CN]

你把宗教跟历史人物的存在混淆了。

Modern religion is based on a huge centuries old game of Chinese Whispers, in which with every retelling there's distortion and exaggeration.[CN]

现代宗教都是基于很久世纪以前中国的古老传话游戏的，每次讲述都曲意逢迎，夸夸其辞。

I don't think there is much doubt that Jesus was born and lived, but I have my doubts he was the son of God.[CN]

耶稣有出生有活在世上我不否认，但是他是上帝之子我就不敢恭维了。

Stalin already tried to ban it in Soviet Russia which did not work out too well amongst the less indoctrinated proles so he had to open the churches once more to get the comrades on side again to fight in his glorious war of socialist liberation against the German socialist who also attempted to shut down Christianity as part of their glorious war of liberation.[CN]

斯大林就有这么干过，在苏联禁止了，但是在洗脑不彻底的无产者中成效不好，之后不得不重开教堂，赢回同伙的支持以加入社会主义解放革命的光荣战争中，他们的对手是德国，也企图灭掉基督教，作为解放光荣战争的一部分。

Absolutely untrue, inform yourself correctly and unemotively, you will need to look at many sources, if you do this you will discover the truth. The greatest story ever told is based on a real historical figure, the interpretation of that story is another matter. Faith and belief does not have to come into it.[CN]

你这话就不对！请不要带上感情色彩，正确看待这问题，你要从很多根源上考量这个问题，好好做一番研究你就能发现真相。最伟大的故事都是基于真实历史人物的，致于怎么解读这个故事又是另一回事了。忠诚信仰啊什么的可没有包括在里边。

Why is it that we believe in Julius Cesar when comparatively nothing is left but Jesus Christ is disbelieved with so much recorded about Him.? I have a full brain. I examined the information I could and came to Faith. Of course there is a lot that frazzled the brain as God does not work in a fashion that we understand. Christmas is fast approaching. I pray you will reflect some more on the "reason for the season" - and meet the reality and come to faith. God bless[CN]

为什么凯撒此人，没有什么史料提到他，我们却坚信不疑，而很多资料提到耶稣我们却不相信了呢。我脑子还是灵光的。我查了一下信息，开始相信了。当然有很多人脑子发热，摆出一副上帝的行为，我们常人搞不懂。圣诞就是个很好理解的例子。我祈祷，你们在“推断在推断”中可以折射出更多 – 摸清事实，找出真相。上帝保佑。

And Jesus said: "Heaven and Earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away".[CN]

耶稣说：天堂地狱都将逝去，而我的教诲永存。“

ALL religions are made up nonsense[CN]

宗教都是胡扯出来的

Pete? thats an unusual name for a M u s s y.[CN]

Pete？这名字不是一般啊，肮脏的代名词。

Advice, safer for you to hide behind a pseudo. Don't come out in the open. It gets hot out here.[CN]

给你个建议，还是做个幕后伪君子吧，光天化日之下别出来，一开来你可就热化了。

Grow up "pete"[CN]

醒醒吧Pete

You want to believe the Universe came out of NOTHING (CERN STILL cannot find a progenitor cause, only the things that happened after), and your ancestors came out of a slime mould, from soup (a failed1950s experiment that NO-ONE has EVER MANAGED TO COMPLETE in any science lab anywhere), go ahead. Gives you a licence to be, do and say anything without consequence, eh? - but I bet you still read your horoscope every day. Deluded? Check out the 2x4 in your own eye, old son... Also, I'd rather be a fool for G-d than a 'wise' person in this world's eyes.[CN]

你相信这个世界是平白无故冒出来的（欧核会找不到祖先的渊源，之后发生的事情倒是可以找到）你们的祖先是来自一种粘菌，汤里面就有（20世纪50年代的失败实验，没有人能在实验室里成功完成过），你继续吹。给你一张颜色，你就开始乱来，不顾后果胡诌了，是吧？你每天还是有看占星术的吧。易上当？小子，好好检查你那2x4的小眼睛。我宁愿当上帝的一个傻瓜也不愿意做世人眼中的聪明人。

What will you do when He does? What will you say on that great day? Will you be one those who will say "Lord Lord remember me and what I did in your Name...",or, will you stand by what you just said, own up to your unbelief when standing before Him (you will kind of sort of have to, unless you want to look silly at that point), and, ask forgiveness for your unbelief...[CN]

如果他真的出现了呢，你怎么办？在那个伟大日子你会说啥呢？你会跟那些人一样“说，上帝啊。记着我，我永久记住你名字…”还是你会坚持你所说，我还是不不信。即使站在上帝面前（看你也不得不承认，如果那种时候你也还想犯傻），然后请求上帝宽恕你的不信仰。

He shows up all the time in divers places. The holy spirit prophecies in churches and these are proven when they materialise . There are supernatural gifts of healing and knowledge etc. Read acts,it still occurs today and the letters to the churches in the new testament[CN]

他在各种场合各种时段出现。教堂里神圣的预言之灵。这些事成型后也都证明了这一点。的确是有诸如治愈（心灵）和知识渊博等超自然赐礼，读读使徒行传，今天都还在教堂的圣约中流传呢

Its like admiring a large complex beautifully built lego house and someone says ,my dog was sick and this house came together accidentally[CN]

这就跟敬仰一座巨型的错落有致的乐高积木房屋一样，有人说，我的狗病了，这房子是偶然建起来的一样。

What else was Mary going to say, she would have been stoned to death for adultry if she had told Joseph she had a lover.[CN]

玛丽还能说啥，如果她告诉约瑟夫她有个情人，她就死定了。

I accidentally liked your comment. Are you saying Mary wasn't a virgin when she gave birth?[CN]

你的评论说到我心坎里了！你是说玛丽生娃时不是处女吗？

End, Talk about daft. You think this is a "story that folks made up a couple of hundred years ago"? Aww hahaha! Such as in 1816, even though our time is marked by His birth? Aww hahaha![CN]

End, 说到蠢， 你觉得这是民间百姓几百年前编造出来的故事？啊哈哈，比如1816年，我们的时代也是以他的生日为界？啊哈哈。

Actually, it has been said, by G K Chesterson I believe, that if people don', or won't, believe in G-d, it is not that they won't believe in something, they WILL believe in ANYTHING! The spot in your brain and heart needs filling and you won't do it yourself, because there will be nothing to be able to fill it - you can try, but you will fail. Drugs, booze, sex, money, fame, power, all only go so far because, in the final analysis, it all comes back to yourself and, if that's all you can rely on, you'll have nothing. In the dark night of the - your - soul, you are on your own: many stories in this newspaper bear that out. Chaos and misery has been more carried out by atheist regimes and people, than true believers who try to alleviate that chaos and misery, and are persecuted FOR doing so and simply believing. I am talking of Christians, and that is the very belief system that is being intellectually, philosophically, politically,socially in the West; other places, you know about.

"I am talking of Christians, and that is the very belief system that is being intellectually, philosophically, politically,socially in the West; other places, you know about ". - sorry, ran out of characters! Should have put in, about Christianity being ATTACKED in the West, from many sides, including and especially in the workplace. This despite the Govt's assurances that this wouldn't happen! The 'other places' are under the rule of the 'other religion', and it's not just Christians being, well, you know, but other religious and NON-religious (atheist) groups, too. As for the red arrowers, do a soul audit...

As Voltaire said, "those who can be made to believe in absurdities, can be made to commit atrocities".

@Bryant ........ Your problem is that you are a religious nut who sees everything through the skewed prism of imaginary stories. It isn't I , s , l, a , ,m the re,li,gi,on versus Christianity, it is I , s ,l, a , ,m the political/mi,nd-control/ re,li,gio,us system versus the non-m , u ,s , l, i ,m world.

It was the neighbor named Bill.

Mary wasn't a virgin - the myth grew out of a mistranslation from Hebrew to Greek, in the Matthew gospel when quoting Isaiah 7:14. In the original Greek, 'parthenos' (virgin) is used. However, the original Hebrew version of Isaiah refers to an 'almah' (a young, or unmarried woman), rather than a 'betulah' (a virgin).

I know that but it but most Christians do not seem to know that.

If it was a story how has it managed to last so long in so much detail?

They wern`t immigrants: the census required they go to the town of their birth.

I'm sure the DM would have jumped on the virgin birth theme...

So how come the gospels have been dated to well before your claim?

The gospels were written decades after the supposed events and are anonymous, we don't know who wrote them.

@GKKJ ......... It isn't Evil Gezebo's claim, you dimwit, he's re-quoting the dates from the article, but simply questioning the motive behind the claims.

Nigel, they were written one generation after the death of Jesus, by separate individuals young enough to have met the eyewitnesses. Interesting that there's nothing by anyone written at the time, to suggest the events were recorded incorrectly.

GKKJ,,funny that during the supposed lifetime of this christ person absoloutely no-one considere it worth making a record of any of the things it is claimed he did or said.

Oh for goodness sake. Firstly there was a lot more space. Secondly it wasn't taking over and closing public services for nationals in favour of immigrants. Thirdly people aren't generally against immigration it's the abuse of the system overcrowding with abusers. Fourthly go and open your front door. Right now. And welcome anyone in. No? Because you have to manage the amount of physical space and finances of your property. And that's why we have a Home Secretary who needs to manage the national home.

Be quiet

We know he existed .There is more evidence for him than julius ceasar

Truthseakerthree No, why on earth should I be quiet about a straight up con? junewatson: there is zero evidence he ever existed, no contemporary evidence at all, zero... Unlike the mythical Jesus Christ, we know what Caesar looked like and we have a complete history of his life. In turn, general, orator, historian, statesman and lawgiver. We have words written by Caesar himself and words written by both his friends and his enemies. Artifacts confirm his life and death, as do his successors. Caesar established a style of government ¿ and a calendar ¿ which endured for centuries. The ONLY evidence at all for jesus comes from things written centuries after his death by unknown authors

Did your brain fall out this morning?

i thought it was a stable he was born in???

You sure about that? You speak as if you were there...

Prove there is no god. Thought not.

triumphguy - your comment is illogical as it is impossible to prove something does not exist that does not exist, please think about it. My comment is directed at the purveyors of religion whom say gods exist and claim to represent these gods.PS which god do you refer?

You know that for sure? Better than archaeologists and historians who have studied the subject in depth? Since the second century?

It is because I have studied the subject that I am of that opinion. No serious theologian believes that the Nativity story to be true. And, if you read the canonical gospels, you will discover a plethora of contradictions. For example, the gospel named after Luke makes no reference to magi, and has the family returning to Nazareth, rather than fleeing to Egypt. And you can't provide any primary or secondary evidence for Herod's alleged massacre of the innocents, because there is none! And the census that took them to Bethlehem, according to Luke 2:1-5, was the Census of Quirinius in 6 CE. However, Herod actually died 10 years earlier in 4 BCE.

Bethlehem was a small place. Herod has a lot of people killed. The massacre of the innocents proably involved only a few children but was bigged up (much like a Daily Mail report). The Quirinius connection is perfecly logical if he was the census officer and not the governor, as some interpretations suggest. Trying to link dates to one census is fallacious because they had regular censuses. Also remember these dates are only a few years apart in a span of over 2000 years and all this stuff was written before the Letts Diary or Google Calendar was invented. There are indeed discrepancies, as with any historical record, but to call it "sheer utter nonsense" is not the kind of language a serious historian would use.

A wean in a manger...