China faces headaches from warming Vietnam-U.S. ties

美越关系升温,中方头痛不已
Greg Torode and Megha Rajagopalan

HONG KONG/BEIJING (Reuters) - At a stroke, the U.S. and Vietnam have complicated the strategic outlook for China over the disputed South China Sea.[CN]

香港/北京 (路透社)美越建交,中国南海争议战略局面一下子错综复杂。

As U.S. President Barack Obama marked one of his last trips to Asia by the historic lifting of Washington's arms embargo on Vietnam, he repeatedly insisted it was not directed at Beijing.[CN]

奥巴马亚洲之旅末站,历史性废除华盛顿对越南的武器禁运。他再三强调,此举并非针对中国。

And yet regional military sources and security analysts say China will face short and longer term strategic headaches from the fully normalized relationship between former enemies in Hanoi and Washington.[CN]

然而当地军方人士和军队安全分析师指出,昔日帝国美越全面正常化建交,中国将面临长期和短期的战略性刺头。

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U.S. President Barack Obama shakes hands with Vietnam's President Tran Dai Quang after an arrival ceremony at the presidential palace in Hanoi, Vietnam May 23, 2016. REUTERS/Carlos Barria[CN]

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Operationally, China faces the short-term prospect of Vietnam obtaining U.S.-sourced radars and sensors, surveillance planes and drones to better monitor and target Chinese forces, the analysts say.[CN]

从行动上讲,可预见越南将获得美国资助的雷达和感应器,侦察机和无人机,以便更好监察和瞄准中国军队。

In the longer term, the move makes Hanoi a key player in Obama's strategic pivot to East Asia. U.S. arms manufacturers will compete with Russia for big-ticket weapons sales to Vietnam. The U.S. Navy may get a long-held wish to use Cam Ranh Bay, the best natural harbor in the South China Sea, military sources say.[CN]

长远上看,这次行动,河内将成为美国重返东亚战略中心的重要棋子。美国制造商将与俄国竞争出售越南的大批量武器订单。为此,美国可能获得金兰湾(中国南海最好的自然海港)的长期使用权。军方人士指出。

Then there is the prospect of political cooperation and greater intelligence sharing over China's assertiveness, according to diplomatic sources, even if Vietnam shuns any formal steps towards a military alliance.

Such moves dovetail with the goals of Vietnam's military strategists who have told Reuters they want to discreetly raise the costs on China's rapidly modernizing forces from attacking Vietnam again.

Vietnam understands that a future conflict with their giant neighbor would be vastly more difficult than the bloody land battles on their northern border that rumbled through the 1980s, or the sea battle over the Spratlys in 1988.

RELYING ON DIPLOMACY

Chinese official reaction has so far been muted.

But Beijing is paying close attention to Vietnam's acquisition of modern weaponry and deployments in the South China Sea, said Ruan Zongze, a researcher at the China Institute of International Studies, a think tank linked to the Foreign Ministry.

"It's not impossible that this will then impact the territorial issue between China and Vietnam," said Ruan, a former Chinese diplomat.

Zhang Baohui, a mainland security expert at Hong Kong's Lingnan University, said he believed Vietnamese planners knew they could never prevail against the modern Chinese military, so they had to rely on diplomacy to keep stable relations with Beijing.

Zhang said he expected this to continue, despite the Obama visit, saying it was the "cheapest form of defense".

"Vietnam is working the U.S. into an enhanced deterrence strategy," he said. "To enhance its relations with China, they have to play the U.S. card," he said.

CAM RANH BAY

U.S. naval officials say they are keen to gradually increase ship visits, but are aware of Vietnamese concerns over pushing China too hard.

When in March Vietnamese officials announced the opening of a new international port in Cam Ranh to foreign navies, China was one of the first militaries to get a formal invite, according to reports in Vietnam's military press.

U.S. port calls are currently long-planned formal affairs. But U.S. military officials say a servicing agreement is one long term option to allow U.S. warships to make routine visits to Cam Ranh Bay.

Security analysts say even a small increase in ship visits, for example, would complicate China's operations in the South China Sea, now centered on dual-use facilities being built on seven artificial islands in the Spratlys archipelago.

China claims 80 percent of the South China Sea as its territory, while Taiwan, the Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam and Brunei also have overlapping claims across one of the world's most important shipping lanes.

Lifting the embargo not only offers an opportunity for U.S. arms makers in Vietnam but elsewhere in rapidly developing Southeast as well, said a military advisor in Thailand.

"The U.S. sees opportunity and demand opening up in various other countries, such as Laos and Cambodia, which use weapons from Russia and China," said Panitan Wattanayagorn, an adviser to Thailand's Defence Minister and Deputy Prime Minister Prawit Wongsuwon.

"Their economies are expanding, but they still have old weapons so there is an opportunity."

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Gerard

China has invaded and continues to hold Tibet a prisoner nation, with 1/6 of the population in jail for political reasons (wanting freedom from Chinese oppression). China has had a border war with Vietnam, Russia and India in the 60s and 70s, invaded Korea and still claims Japanese islands. China is an imperialist bully stealing land surreptitiously as we speak with militarizing man made islands in the South China Sea between its neighbors. China is still illegally occupying the Aksai Chin region it stole from India's Kashmir state in the 60s, and illegally occupies northern Bhutan and claims all of India's Arunachal Pradesh state where they don't even speak Chinese. China is a serious menace to global peace for the next century.[CN]

中国侵占西藏,把西藏打造成监狱国度。因为政治原因(反抗中国压迫,争取自由),西藏1/6的人口锒铛入狱。中国在60-70年代,跟越南,俄国,印度皆有边境战事。他侵略南北韩,也宣称对日本尖阁诸岛拥有主权。中国这个强权帝国主义国家,私下扩展领土。正如我们说的,在南海邻国之间军用填海造地。中国60年代也非法侵占了印度克什米尔州的阿克赛钦郡,不丹北部,宣布对阿鲁纳恰尔邦拥有主权,他们根本就不会说汉语啊。未来一个世纪,中国都会是世界和平的一个重大隐患。

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Gerard

China invaded Vietnam in the 70s and was dealt a humiliating blow at Cao Phong. It invaded for the purpose of "defending" Chinese Vietnamese, which is exactly the lie Hitler used in WWII and Putin is using now in the Ukraine to invade and steal their land. China will use the same lie. China also stole Indian land and claimed half of Tadzhikistan and fought a border war with Russia in the 60s. China is sleeping dragon bent on wreaking destruction all over east Asia if its imperialist greed not contained.[CN]

中国70年侵略越南,在高峰县犯下不耻行径。它以保护中国羿越南人为名发动侵略,借口跟希特勒二战用的、普京现在用来侵略乌克兰并占地的谎言一样。中国也会用这招的。60年代中国也侵略印度领土,宣布对大半个塔吉克斯坦有统治主权,跟俄国右边界冲突。中国是沉睡的恶龙,决意在整个东亚搞破坏,直到他的霸权野心得到满足。

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REX

More evidence that the Nam intrusion to back up a French Puppet Vietnamese Government in Vietnam was a total mistake that led to senseless deaths. Look at Vietnam today and compare today with the past under French Colonialism. Some in the USA jump on the Human Rights issues in Vietnam, yet the USA has their own issues of humanity care that remains unresolved. I applaud President Obama for his visit. The Ping-Pong diplomacy of President Nixon in China is now balanced by President Obama's diplomatic visit to Vietnam.[CN]

很多证据表明,南穆入侵扶持法国傀儡伪越南政权就是一个彻头彻尾的错误,招致无数人无辜惨死,看看今天的越南再对比一下过去的法国殖民时期。美国有些人直接跳过越南的人权问题,实际上他们自己国家的人权问题就还没解决干净。为奥巴马的到访鼓掌。古有美国尼克松总统的乒乓外交访华,仅有奥巴马总统外交出访越南。

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PatrickReply toREX

As much as I do not like President Obama, I too think it was the right thing to do. Japan, well ... not so much. My Father fought in the Pacific Theater and the storied told about Japaneses brutalities were very gruesome.[CN]

尽管我很不喜欢奥巴马,我也觉得他这次做的是对的。日本的话,...还是算了吧。我爸爸在太平洋剧院打过仗,日本的残忍嗜杀可是令人毛骨悚然。

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Tom

Since we all know how our Nobel Prize winning President feels about Nuclear Weapons & we need to have less of them so there is a more balanced power Worldwide; perhaps since he went to Vietnam he can now give them a few of the Nuclear Weapons we have laying around so CHINA will not be a bigger threat against them any longer, then we will not have as many & HE can receive ANOTHER Nobel Prize before he POSSIBLY leaves office.[CN]

我们这位获得诺贝尔和平奖的总统对核武的态度我们都清清楚楚了:核武越少,世界力量越均衡。他都去过越南了,也许现在可以给越南一些核武器,中国对他们来说威胁也就不那么大了,反正我们放着也是闲着。这样一来核武是变少了,他也可能在卸任之前拿多一个诺贝尔奖。

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PotentialPoet

It is interesting to note that while wearing the garb of arms salesman, Obama makes a speech about a would without nuclear arms. Oh, the irony![CN]

有点搞啊,奥巴马一方面披着兜售武器的外衣,一方面又宣扬世界无核化,真是讽刺到家了!

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Tony

Just stop buying anything made in China and they will not be able to support their 1 billion people and their Army. The people will revolt.[CN]

别再买中国造了,这样一来他们养不活10亿人民和军队,人们就会奋起反抗了。

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J M

Mr Greg Torode and Mr Megha Rajagopalan, how did you two dudes know China is facing headaches from warming US-Vietnam ties? Did China or any of its political leaders told you so & asked for some Panadol pills? Think outside your boxes.....If China is really worried about the US establishing closer ties with China's neighbors, she won't be doing what she is doing right now. On the whole I would say the US is more worried about China from the way the US is seeking alliances & sowing seeds of conflict in the region to target China.[CN]

Greg Torode和Megha Rajagopalan两位兄弟,你怎么知道美越建交,中方头痛不已?中国有政治领导人告诉你了吗,还是有问你要拿药治头痛?不要想当然...如果中国真的担心美国跟它的邻国建立亲密关系,它现在可就没那么淡定了。大层面上讲我倒是愿意说,是美国更担心中国崛起,正在寻找盟友,以及种下地方冲突的祸根来针对中国。

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JohnReply toJ M

Well said...[CN]

说的好。

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Li

Obama is outfoxed by the seasoned top leaders in ASEAN countries. The provision of security by Amerikaa is for free, the FONOP by Amerikaa is for free, and none of the ASEAN countries is willing to carry out FONOP, instead they work out the security in SCS with China as the ministers of defence from ASEAN and China concluded the meeting last week. Then , another important player, Russia is coming to the region upon receiving invitation from Indonesia and other countries in the region.[CN]

奥巴马被东盟峰会国家领导摆了一道啊。美国安全协议是非强制性的,自由通航也是非强制性的,没有东盟国家会认真贯彻执行“自由通航”条约。此外东盟国防部部长出席上周峰会并和中国签订了互不侵犯条约。还有另外一位大咖,俄国,收到印尼和其他国家邀请也准备出席这次会议。

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Gerard

Over 50,000 U.S. young men died for that country free it from the despotism and brutality of communism and now we are friends because they are economically capitalist and because China is a thieving imperialist bullying all of east Asia. Soldiers die as political pawns since after WWII.[CN]

为解救越南免受独裁暴政,美国超过5万多士兵为越南捐躯。如今我们成为了盟友,他们经济上是资本主义,因为此时中国在东亚窃行霸权主义。自二战后,士兵的牺牲不过是政治的棋子罢了。

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JohnReply toGerard

Our troops didn't die 'for that country' at all, but only for Cold War geopolitical goals. Our intervention in Vietnam was a Disaster for that country far worse than anything which might have ensued under a communist government - which they ended up with anyway. Soldiers almost always die as political pawns.[CN]

我们的国家根本就没有为越南捐躯。他们只是为了冷战的地缘政治献身罢了。我们介入越战,对那国家就是一场灾难,本来共产主义越南政府能保障的也不复存在,雪上加霜了 - 还好已经结束了。士兵之死自古都是政治的棋子。

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GregoryReply toGerard

Americans died in Vietnam for one purpose only - that was to enrich the military-industrial complex. It had nothing to do with global politics and everything to do with money and profits.[CN]

美国人献身越南只有一个目的 - 养肥军工复合体。跟什么全球政治,钱啊,利益啊什么的有毛线关系。

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Anthony

At a local store in California, I checked out a particular merchandise but decided not to buy because it was Made in China. I told owner that he needs to replace the item with Made in Others or he cannot sell it to me. Now, the owner got the message. I am sure if China is not wealthy, it will not be such an irresponsible international bully.[CN]

在加州当地的一个商店里头找到了一样特殊商品,但最后我决定不买了,因为是中国造。我跟店主说,他要换其他国家造的商品,不然我不会买。现在,他懂了。我敢肯定,如果中国并不富裕,就不会有这种不负责任的国家欺诈(商品)了

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Omar

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jose-antonioReply toOmar

And, most important question of all; what do you want to say with all this drivel....

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Alfredo deLorenzoReply toOmar

a lot of BS to say absolutely nothing

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PEPEReply toOmar

A la chingada...

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YellowFish

Vietnam and USA did not mean to give China headaches; Actually, they aimed for big tumors.

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Li

China and Indonesia will cooperate closer on military relationship. Indonesia with 260 million people is the heavy weight in ASEAN and she never shows support for America's military presence in the region, instead President Joko Widodo openly invites Russia to become an important player in the region.

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qifa

Selling weapons to the world is our constitutional human right and a necessity to economical growth.

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blue

Jew propaganda machine are instigating, spying and making with China and East Asia.

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TruthMonger

Yes, and Chicana will cure her "headache" with an even a closer alliance with the #2 military power and #1 nuclear power of Russia! Do we have a marvelous foreign policy, turning major powers into enemies, when we cannot even subdue Third World 7th Century barbarians?

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thanh michael

Vietnam communist party are smart maintain closer ties with the USA.

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USforce

Where is Vietnam president? Obama meet vice president?

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CrazyJosh

Just want to say thank you China for your bullying.

P3 Orion and F16s is coming to Vietnam sooner than expected.

Fr: Vietnam. LMAO!!!

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Nightbreaker

The enemy of my enemy is my friend now.

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