The Indian/Chinese IQ puzzle

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still Lol
on Tue, 04 Oct 2011 06:17 | 521

Competitions, tests, scientific studies—heard of reality? What part of keeping the help content are you failing to perceive? Even the Mexicans catch on faster than you lot.

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Rikshay
on Wed, 05 Oct 2011 20:39 | 522

WOW!!! u ppl r racist barstards!!! Im a South African Hindu of Indian decent( half Dravidian and half Brahmin) - 16 years- and ive got an IQ of 135- how can u generallize the iq of a nation with over 800 000 of its ppl are living in poverty…........India and China are both very successful nations in their own right…...India and China is the base of International Civilization…...Europeans were too busy being barbaric and conquring nations and stealing their wealth…........India was the wealthiest country b4 the brits f’d the country up!!!Actsof violence!!! - is that what the bible teaches you?

shut eye

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meh
on Thu, 06 Oct 2011 23:21 | 523

It’s amazing how this discussion was started in 2005 and people are still posting(me included).

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Dot Buster
on Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:18 | 524

All the statistics show that Indian people are stupid, on average.  And the self proclaimed IT superpower turns out to be an IT non-superpower (see the post by Puccini on October 04, 2011, 02:07 AM).  Yet these dirty desi has the gall to call American people unemployable, destroying great American company one by one and turned it into curry den.

“...American tech grads are ‘unemployable’...”

- Vineet Nayar, CEO, HCL Technologies

American tech grads are unemployable

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sampan
on Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:28 | 525

@anon
commenting regarding ur sept 03 reply.
first of all i dont have any grudge towards chinnese or east asians.but for shake of ur information,please don’t give false information.where did i say about india?
u have asked where were u guys in 1895-well my reply was based on the city of calcutta.
now ltake a note where we were in that time.in 1895 sir jagadish bose first showed radio transmission in calcutta-two years later the first theoretical form was shown by nikola tesla in usa. then in several tours to england-he finally showed the recieving coherer at royal institution.and he was the first easterner who who got an offer from chembridge for teaching post-although he did not accepted.
then in 1902 calcutta brought the first nobel prize of entire british empire.in 1913 first non european literature nobel prize winner rabindranath tagore became a global phenomenon-the first man who connnected east and west.then first nobel prize in physics from asia came to this city.in between in 1916 satyendra bose and mn saha first translated einstein’s general theory of relativity in english.and in 1924 einstein tranlated satyendra bose’s paper in german-which is now known as bose einstein statistics-and this theory hass produced atleast half a dozen nobel prize,latest being in 2001 when 3 american scientist won it for bose einstein condensate.
this city has produced asia’s first and only nobel prize winner in economics too.
two nobel prize winning medicine research carried out in asia-both malaria and vitro fertilization had occoured in this very city.
mother teressa,arguably the greatest peace prize winner is also from this city.
recently amazon.com has produced a book on great physist-where satyendra bose features in 25th position-the best rated eastern scientist.the city is directly connected with 5 nobel prize winner and two other who spent certain time here.plus subhas mukhopadhya who died long before 2010,and mn saha who gave the birth of modern astrophysics died in 1956(first nobel in astro came in 1967.)the undivided bengal(i.e west bengal of india and bangladesh togeather is associated with 8 nobel prze=two all time great like jc bose and sn bose.this was the city which was asia’s largest and second largest of british empire has produced countless number of intellectuals during 19th and early half of 20th century.
-known as bengali reniassance.the legendry oscar winning director satyajit roy,multiple grammy winner ravishankar(TO whom beatles and specially george harrison learnt sitar.)the greatest structural engineer of 20th century-fazlur khan,currrent days jayed karim all are part of bengal province.
so if u don’t have iota of knowledge about calcutta or bengal,please shut ur mouth and dont write another crap like that-because u need to cure ur fucking knowledge.

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James
on Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:36 | 526

Both Indians and Chinese do extremely well economically outside their home countries”

Yes, they do extremely well when they get to invade and take over jobs created by WHITES but when it comes to doing well INSIDE their own countries, they don’t do too well.

Any bank robber can ‘do well’ if there’s a pile of $ waiting to be grabbed. But to create that success from scratch on their own - well that they’re not so good at.

Without the jobs of western white industry, Indians and Chinese would still be sitting in the mud puddle.

Don’t mistake simply taking over what others have created as “being successful”.

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yo
on Fri, 04 Nov 2011 03:01 | 527

well in india u can see 70 percent of them dont go to school and learn somewhat education, if u go to the areas where people are well off and study then u ll find out they re the smartest around. peace also in china communism is making everyone go to school and therefore kids are getting to know a lot more then poor democratic indian kids. If you look in history india has invented so much that greek and china are like students for india. no disrespect but u go search about indians. Also in chinese bcuz they look not so good they sudy hard to show they r smart , indians have a good culture of partying and good looking people so people are democratic thinkers.

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Lurker
on Fri, 04 Nov 2011 05:56 | 528

If you look in history india has invented so much that greek and china are like students for india.

Why dont you provide us with a list?

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oberver
on Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:03 | 529

This whole india /china iq debate might have a bigger impact in future-but for now what i have seen in average china will probably beat india(if i take the whole country average).But in this part of the world(more appropriately south east asia)what i have seen the bengal(which was undivided tiil british raj) has produced best scientist,literature,reformer,philosopher etc.the city calcutta/kolkata as i have seen produced two of best scientist from entire east-sn.bose and jc.bose.plus this city had won in four different category as asia’s first nobel prize,and has more nobel ,oscar,grammy than any other city from asia.japan’s tokyo will be off course in very same league.but calcutta won it’s first nobel prize in 1902 where japan won in 1949.now in short span bangladesh has produced engineer fazlur khan,economist nobel prize winner md.yunus)plus grat director satyajit roy(oscar winner),ravishankar(who had a great impact on beatles) were also from this region.what i have seen the entire republic of china and entire india(excluding bengal and it’s capital kolkata)havenot produced these many luminaries.the pan average iq of bangladeshi will be in probably less than 90 and for bengal in india(mostly hindu dominated) will have an average of100+-and most importantly their origination is from mongoloid or indo/indo-european race.so why this particular ethnic have progressed that much while othe big cities from south or east asia(except japan)hadnot been able to do the same?

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To Observer and Sampan
on Wed, 09 Nov 2011 17:54 | 530

I am a Bengali myself , but I hate the Bengali arrogance.
Bengal is going downhill because of this arrogance.
We still haven’t produced an Anand in chess.
Anand is still alive.
All our Boses and Satyajit Rays are dead.
I see myself as an Indian first.

But in any case, since I will mention a few names from Bengal that hasn’t been mentioned.
One is A.P.C.Roy. Who was recently honoured by the Royal Society of Science. THE FIRST PERSON OUTSIDE EUROPE to get that honour.
Another is magician P.C. Sorcar(junior). His father was also the Father of (modern) Indian magic. And the son is also one of world’s leading magicians. He can make anything disappear. He already vanished the Taj Mahal, moving trains, flying planes. I bet he can make this racist blog disappear as well!

Anyway, the MAIN MAN behind Google’s really fast searching is an INDIAN.
here: watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&feature=relmfu&v=tuRYbBvOMRo
At around 37:15 , I think, he mentions a name Sanjay. Sanjay is 100% Indian.
Eerily enough, the other professor- professor John looks a lot like one of my relatives.

And I agree with the guy called Racism is stupid. It really is stupid!

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To Sampan and Observer
on Wed, 09 Nov 2011 18:24 | 531

Oh I forgot to mention another name:
P.C.Mahalnobish . The great statistician and mathematician who founded Indian Statistical Institute.

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Heads
on Wed, 09 Nov 2011 18:33 | 532

This is about the “big brains” of Chinese.
Just compare the brains of Killer whales.
Killer whales have brains so big, that an entire Chinese HEAD will fit in!

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observer
on Wed, 09 Nov 2011 19:02 | 533

@to sampan and observer.
it’s not about pride dude-for people like u we are going downhill-i tell u the unsung story of another hero.in 2010 nobel prize in medicine were given to cambridge scientist edwards who along with stetope created first test tube baby of the world in 1978.since stetope died in 1988 only edwards won nobel prize-at the same time dr subhas mukherjee of calcutta using some minimum apparatus and a refrigerator in his won flat created world’s second test tube baby(67 days after edwards and stetope did).but his technique was even more sophiticated and more credit goes to him because without using any lab or good facility he performed it.but thank’s to his peers and bengal goverment he couldnot show his research to the world and finally had to commit suicide.but after his death he got recgnization and medical dictionary of world’s greatest 1100 researcher’s lfigured him with 2 other calcuttan-sir ronald ross and sir upendranath bramhachari.so what is the moral of the story-it’s people like you(just was in case subhas mukherjee’s so called “peers”) we are declining.another genuine nobel miss.but don’t worry there are manilal bhowmick or ashok sen-they still might not get it-since nobel is not given for inventions in these days in physics-but there are lot’s of name i can tell u who are still alive-you tube co founder jawed karim,father of sound system amar bose etc.

what those fuckin rest of indian have really done-oh yeah chineese also hadnot done much.but they will do in next few decades-but i don’t think indian going to catch up with the chineese any way-because the attitude they show in us and off course arrogance(without really doing much)-it certainly not gonna help the country anyway-remember this.

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kdon27
on Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:48 | 534

There is much to be said about social intelligence - academia can only go so far in strengthening one’s position in what we currently view as “human life”. However, for the human *race* to advance as a whole and achieve Type 1 civilisation, the emphasis should be shifted slightly to understanding our place in the world and indeed the universe. Our existence is futile, the billions of stars are a testament to that. But our ability to survive and our unwavering dedication to explore and achieve can outlive the universe. In other words, we should be focused on improving ourselves as a species rather than widening the rift between races and causing division, a path that will only end in chaos and eventual death of our species.

“We have the ability to reach the Type 1 civilisation and once we do so, the universe is a stone’s throw away. The danger zone is the chaotic imbalance between a Type 0 civilisation (what we are) and a Type 1 civilisation (what we aspire to me)”.

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To observer and Sampan
on Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:31 | 535

@observer
Don’t get me wrong, I am a proud Bengali myself and that’s the reason why I mentioned a few bengali names myself in my last 2 posts. However, that doesn’t mean that we can trash rest of India. Be a proud Indian too, not just a proud Bengali.

Ashok Sen is the string theorist, isn’t it? Well, String theorists realistically don’t have any chance of winning the Nobel.

what those fuckin rest of indian have really done

It’s these kinds of comments that I hate.
The rest of India has done plenty , especially the southern state of Tamil Nadu.
The west and north also have a decent amount of contribution for a third world country.


Bengal isn’t going downhill because of people like me, but because of those people who refuse to work hard because they think they have “bengali genes”. Genes matter very little.

To give you an example, let’s take football.
Even in the late 1970s we were beating countries like Japan or Qatar by HUGE margins.
Where is Japan now? #1 in Asia! Hell, where is Qatar? They can beat us 4-0!
Why so much improvement? Because they have planned, they have experimented and they have worked hard. We, on the other hand, we have become lazy.

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observer
on Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:45 | 536

@posted by observer and sampan
lot better reply from u-a very intellectual one.but still i will defy u in some aspects
first of all if a string theorist discover a particle faster than light(although neutrino is already doing) say trachyon he will not only win nobel but will get immortal status.
next ramanujan is one of my favourite.chandrasekhar and ramakrishnan have won nobel with us nationality-raman won from iacs calcutta with indian nationality.so yeas,tamil brahmin are good-jc bose,sn bose didnot win it-but will anybody even in dream put raman or chandrasekhar above boses-sn bose comes as one of all time great in various rankings including famous physicist lev landau’s list where he was jointly 3rd with all father’s of quantum mechanics.and about jc bose we can ask any people from science community with proper knowledge-so forget about jc bose getting one,producing another jc bose indeed is rather difficult.“it’s invention that is more important to human civilization than the inventor.“the man who could utter this-do u find any peer of such noble man?only tesla can be compared as he tored apart the huge contract of weistinghouse as they said that ur ac current isnot gonna see the daylight.
well comeback to the point of being indian-u might have seen in this forum an aryan(north indian) was advertising how great jc bose,sn bose,ramanujan are.first 2 are bengali and third one tamil.the same north indian guys who love to hate bengalis.and south indian-they hate anyone outside south.and u saw how that aryan guy(came with the name indian’s are smart)was destroyed by europeans/americans.
so do u want to say i integrate myself with those people-loud, uncouth with no manners ?
it’s a pity that from a country of 1.2 billion all the luminaries had come from one single city or a particular ethnic group bengali.if other’s would have contributed that way we would have become a first world’s nation today.so if u want to perish by calling themselves as ur brother or so u can,but i am a bengali first,a true kolkatan and then a global citizen.
and more thing-the bengal renaissance occured during colonial british period.we simply just did fine with british people but since then we bengalis have adapted the culture of those culture less north/west/south indian-and that is the biggest reason of our downfall.get rid of those scums and we will prosper again and along with tokyo,kyoto kolkata will be the best city from east.

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To observer and sampan
on Sat, 12 Nov 2011 14:08 | 537

@observer
I can understand some of your concerns, since I am also a Bengali. Calcutta is now full of non-bengalis(mostly Biharis and Marwaris), I guess at least 20% will be non-bengalis, may be more. And some of these non-bengali immigrants are often disrespectful and act as if Bengal belongs to them. I am guessing that this is a big reason for your concern, and perhaps rightly so. And I think it is indeed possible that this has partly been responsible for the declining of the Bengali intellectual culture. However, this can’t explain everything, and there are certainly other more important factors as to why we aren’t producing more geniuses. I believe that the arrogance of “I have Bengali genes” is certainly one.

But beyond this, I can’t really agree with you much.
You are merely generalizing too much . And to say that India as a whole doesn’t have any decent culture outside Bengal is ridiculous.  And let me remind you that being first world does not automatically mean having a good culture.

Sure, our Indian cultures aren’t always perfect, but if you are saying that a culture from a 1st world country is automatically better, I disagree. I can create a wall of text to write down their many defects, but I will state only one. Apparently, in several studies from USA and Australia it has been found that more than 15% of married men in those countries are not the biological fathers of their child and they are not even aware of it. I had to really recheck the figures again and again. No, it wasn’t 0.15% , but 15%(25% in some studies).
So, I can have all sorts of economic luxuries, but what does it mean in the end if I can’t have the guarantee to pass my genes or know who my child is? (As for the eastern 1st worlds, do you know that many of them eat anything that moves? Dogs, cats, snakes, octopuses - anything! )
Compared to that, I feel that most Indian cultures - which are merely variations of the typical Hindu culture - are often much better.

And I find it funny that you attack the same two guys (likely north indians) who complemented you for being a Bengali. I haven’t read those posts in details, but it seems to me that the hate is more from your side than their side. You have just assumed that they all hate you without any proof. I hate to hate people for no good reason.
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I hate arguing, so I will come back to give one more Bengali name which wasn’t mentioned much - MEGHNAD SAHA.
Without some of his contributions the progress of the entire astrophysics will become paralyzed.

Many top physicists believed that his work his work was worth a Nobel prize. And in fact, it did indirectly lead to some Nobel prizes.

About Ashok Sen, the reason why string theorists don’t get the Nobel prize is because there is no known way to test the theory experimentally. Remember, Einstein didn’t get a Nobel for relativity (he got it for photoelectric effect), Eddington did.

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observer
on Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:45 | 538

@to observer and sampan
first of all where did i say that western culture is best and apart from bengali’s rest of indian are all goof.what i meant to say is that just like people from japan or china we bengali’s are also humble,reserve unlike rest of indian.first of all this is not a racist blog at all.not everyone is racist-when everyone is bashing the indian ,that certainly means we have some problem.so rather than being trapped in false sense of patriotism try to accept the fact.along with greece india made the biggest contribution in human civilization till 7th-8th ad.but then one after one outside attack had broken the base of the country.it will take a towering effort from everybody to reach even in a decent position.but instesd of doing so most of us are showing our arrogance hoe great we were and how other’s took all the resource from us.now indan are using the resource of europe and america and that is called as life cycle-after 100 years another global power will come-may be it will china or strong european union or may be muslim power.everything goes in a cycle,it reaches up and up and then goes down.same has happened with us.but we need enterprising,creative people with full of energy like swami vivekananda.i am quite sure that man have harvested gold in any field he would have choosen-be it philosophy,literature,science or even sports.so instead of bragging those ancient past,or crying we will have to look for future.
secondly,those north indian guy didnot praise bengalis but he was advertising how great his countrymen were.but that same guy back in home will bash on us.
thirdly,mn saha didnot win although he was nominated 4 times.but he didnot have much international support-only arthur holly compton outside india nominated him twice-even cv raman didnot nominate him although he had 3 opportunities.and the first nobel came in astrophysics in the year 1967.saha died in 1956-so again little bad luck.
finally, i am not a student in field of string theory and many people even call it shit.regarding thsi i was going through some of leonard suuskind’s concern(one of maker of string theory).but surely any pathbreaking experimental result might bring a nobel prize.
that’s it.probably i am done with u.and don’t think that i love everything of west.for example i don’t give a damn to their excessively open minded culture or their crap southing rock songs.i always try to to take the best from everybody.that’s why as much as i love tagore’s song i also love beatles,beethoven or mozart.

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To observer and sampan
on Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:22 | 539

@ observer

Well, I think at this point we have converged a bit with our opinions. And I too like Beethoven, Mozart and Beatles. So, I agree that there are many good things in the west. (And “west” itself can be divided into many subcultures - all very different). I also many times like chinese traditional music and arts.
There are goods and bads in every culture and any well-intentioned progressive minded person will try to take the goods while staying away from the bads.

But I will explain two areas where we differ in opinions. Firstly, I will explain why I am being patriotic. Secondly, I will explain why I think this board is racist.


1) I took the time to read many of the posts in this blog.
I agree with you that many Indians in this blog have been big-mouthed and arrogant.
But I am surprised that you could only see the Indian arrogance. The anti-Indian sentiment expressed here, mostly by english speaking whites and chinese, is often far worse than anything the Indians have expressed to defend themselves.
And many of the claims from these anti-Indians reminded me of the old Indian proverb “Cows can climb trees in stories”.
And have you read today’s newspaper? What they did to former president Kalam in an U.S airport, does that show humility or arrogance?

You said that Chinese are so humble. May be so, but most Chinese in this blog certainly aren’t.
And just look at some of those Chinese posts. A few of them cleverly tried to take credit for Japanese nobel prizes and achievements by merging the two nations under the heading “east asian”. That’s about the same as a Srilankan trying to take credit for Pakistani Nobel prize winner Abdus Salam by merging them under the heading “south asian”. But we never do that, do we?
I was reading many posts in this blog. And here is what I found :
1> First, a north Indian came in and called southern dravidians “lowly”.
2> Then, a south Indian came in and called ” southern brahmins” are the smartest. And claimed that south Indians have higher IQs than north Indians.
3> Then, apparently someone outside India called Bengalis smart and a south Indian jumped in and claimed it to be a “myth”.
4> Then a Bengali said that Calcutta is the best city, better than “all of China”.

And these kinds of posts annoy me. Because this is fighting racist attacks by diverting the attacks onto another group.“we are innocent, they are the culprits” attitude.
There is nothing to be ashamed of in admitting that we are all Indians. And there is nothing to be ashamed of in admitting that we Indians are not always perfect. Nobody is perfect, but we can all improve.
For starters, we can try to increase the education rate.
Tamil Nadu and Kerala already has about 100% literacy rate. Most other states are far behind.

Someone named Graham pointed out that “homogenous populations” do better than “diverse populations”. May be so, may be not, but I will argue that “diversity” is only in the mind. If we want to improve our nation, then firstly we have to think ourselves as one group -Indians - not “western Brahman”. And secondly, we have to forget the past glories and move towards a desirable future with full energy- just like what you said about Swami Vivekananda.

I think there is hope, because some of the most anti-racist and progressive comments here also came from Indians.

2)However, we definitely interpret this blog and its intentions and its commenting people’s intentions differently. 
To me, anyone who tries to use Rushton’s(or Lynn’s) arguments as a basis loses some credibility for being neutral/ non-racist.

Rushton is not a well respected scientist. Only in the realms of pseudoscience and racist propaganda is Rushton a well respected charlatan. He talks about genes and biology when he in fact is neither a geneticist nor a qualified biologist, not to mention he has been debunked by various professionals in the field. The only ones who drool when they hear Rushton speak are hereditarians, who need mediocre biology in order to sustain their pathetic claims of racial superiority of one group.

The original article started with somewhat curious standpoint. And blamed lack of education - which I can agree with. But then it ended on a racist note , saying things like “I suspect that the negritos may be the culprit”. What does that mean?
And if you look at all the articles and links in this board, it becomes obvious. This board assumes the existence of biological race as a FACT and routinely talks about superiority and inferiority of groups in various aspects. To me this kind of premeditated hatred is far more racist than calling someone “nigger” out of temporary anger (because “nigger” can be easily canceled out by inventing a demeaning word for the other race). Shouldn’t a non-racist be looking for individual merits? This kind of elitism is something that any wise individual will dislike.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f61KMw5zVhg

I will ask something similar to what he asked - “What’s wrong with other people?”. It’s the individual qualities that matter. And as long as someone is respectful, humble and progressive why do I have to reject or hate someone simply on the basis of that person’s origin?

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observer
on Tue, 15 Nov 2011 19:38 | 540

A coin has two sides-head and tail.
in head side i can put the names of-Christ,Aristotole,Da vinchi,king Ashoka,Alexander,many literary genius,many legends in field of art,science and business.on the other hand the tail side will contain people like osama bin laden ,Christian popes who put Gallileo in the cell ,and off course those who put an end to Christ’s live.

if we go through the world history it mesmerizes us the fight between good and evil.wheather it’s between God and the Satan and people like Eve tries to taste the bad fruit-and from then it gets…

no human race in the world is perfect-only God and Demon can be perfect.we do good things,do bad things,we give our lives for others,and the same human who takes millions of lives within a minute.when everybody will be perfect,on that day human Civilization will come to an end.that’s why in Mahabharatha,after the end of war the Pandava’s couldnot reach in the path of immortality-only Yudisthir with the God(yes the God is so kind to every creatures of the earth that he doesnot hesitate to come as a ‘dog’).

oh!Already i have written lots of bullshit today-sorry,but can’t help!!!sudden awakening of some spiritual emancipation.

but i guess u have got the answer of first two and half paragraph of your last post.

back to business-the south indian guy who attacked ashok(probably bangladeshi) as calling him a mythslater is just another mongrel-that jerk doesnot have any idea about jc bose or sn bose.john bardeen won 2 nobel in physics,einstein didnot won more than one(that also not for special theory of relativity)and nikola tesla who deserved atleast half a dozen nobel prizes didnot win because of his feud with edison.richard feynman called nobel a pain in the neck.both bose won their biggest award when they invented and discovered-yes that’s the biggest award for any scientist which jc bose said.but iknow those dumb tamil guy hasnot got that sort of intelligence to understand this fact.secondly,sampan sais calcutta had produced more luminaries than entire china-and what is the problem to accept this truth.i as a calcuttan can proudly say we have produced better talent than many of so called first world’s city.i think only british people those who have knowledge about indian sub continent will also agree with me.but rest of the world doesnot know much about it.

thirdly,kerala has 93% literacy,tamilnadu has 82% literacy-but two of india’s most backward state mizoram which has 90% literacy,and himachal has 83% literacy(all according to 2011 stat’s).so what the hell literacy percentage really say?even all muslim arabian country has above 80% literacy-what is their input to current world?

and i don’t know much about ruston,but hopefully from next time onward if any iq list come from india-i want to see it in race wise,i.e-like iq of assamesse,bengali,bihari,tamil,punjabi etc.because india is a mixture of various countries.

i think what jeff mentioned about indian brahmin and jewish american perfectly depicts the whole situation-the brahmin has an iq of 115-120 which is even higher than jewish.but unfortunately the neglected lower cast people and muslim’s who is almost about 80% of india’s population is the reason of average iq of 86.

visit steve sailer’s blog of indian iq.

and yes-people of china love to hide behind the tag as east asian.but so is the case with third category and even second category european countries who love to hide as european instead of stating their nationality-but a british,german,french,or russian will never do this.because of this first category european countries all europe get a good name- how many jewels turkey,portugal,spain or norway had produced.

and finally regarding all racist comment-i guess i have already given the answer in the beginning of my reply today.

finally,i must say it’s been an awesome pleasure to talk with u through this lifeless machine over past week-and remember one think we bengali love this sort of intellectual discussion-so i will not tag it as an argument.

and most importantly all the replies i had given assuming u as my friend-i don’t know ur status and may be u r older than my father.so with all those replies if i had insulted u by any means please forgive me-because i am still in my early 20’s.

GOOD BYE.

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