The Indian/Chinese IQ puzzle

genetics don’t lie.

I said that white americans are overwhelmingly descended from southern europeans and it’s true.

The language in america is english, so the southern europeans abide by it.

Most names in america sound english but are the people carrying english names really from british descent? I guess not. You can be a Mcandrews and have 0.00 % scottish ancestry instead you can be anything, like a mix of italian/polish who married into someone bearing that name but descended from greek and french etc.

I am not referring to hollywood actors who changed their names into more anglo sounding ones, but the overwhelming part of whites in america descended from southern europeans, I don’t know wh either, maybe they had more children.

What is your problem then? So they came from the middle east, so what?

So ... it didn’t happen. As I will presently show.

I wirr speak yaw language. Risten up, China Man.

The biggest mistake you make is to identify “indo-europeans” with R1a (it’s a mongoloid haplotype, the oldest R1a is found in China),

It is associated with Altaics, not “Mongoloids” — as it is associated with the movements of the Indo-Europeans. It’s highest frequencies are in Central Asia, Eastern European, then the Altaic region and Scandinavia. Not Zhongguo, Anatolia, or Mongolia.

See? Is very simpawww. China Mayin have big prablim wid dis. He go yon yon yon yon yon faw no leason at aww bout white peopaw come from de middaw eass, cause he HATE white peopaw.

the greeks came from the middle east,

Wrote the anti-white Jew, Martin Bernal. Even other Jews debunked his burrshit. Next prease!

They looked different than now, but that’s not strange, Europeans are mixed heavily, just look at all the different haplotypes.

Ok. Ret’s rook again, sharr we.

http://www.scs.illinois.edu/~mcdonald/worldmtdnamap.pdf

In dis wan yew gonna see dat mtDNA haplogroup pledominates in Western Europe, whereas de situation in Qin is much maw confused, i.e. yaw wimmin had reaw hawd time rong rong ago.

Now we gonna rook at Y-DNA:  http://forums.iransportspress.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22953&d=1268865764&thumb=1

As you gonna see from dis, Pekin Meng, West Europeans are extremely low in markers from the Middle East, as are the Han. Italians alone present a high frequency of haplogroup J, which they share with Turks. What dis meeeeaaaaan?  you still don’t berieeeeve me?? Werr den risten stirr China Mayin!

The problem is with you guys is that you claim certain haplotypes as your own while it’s simply not true, for example R1a, it’s present in Europeans “so it must be from europe”.

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As you can see, China Mayin, R1a is quite rare among West Europeans, marginal in Germans, more predominant in Norwegians and Slavs. Why? Because this tracks the movements of “Indo-European” tribes across the Continent.

It simpry is true, from available data, that there is a very low frequency of R1a in Anatolia, which may be associated with the “elite dominance” of the “Anatolian group” of “Indo-Europeans” who departed the Urheimat ~2500BC.

Dat crear enough faw youuuuuu? you berrrieeeeeeve me now??

I wrote before that R1a and R1b originate from Asia, if you don’t believe me just let a professor read my message.

Awwrr, haw haw haw haw haw!!! Dat REARRY funny!!! You mean dat R1b mutation dat don’t hardly ESIST in Asia and is AW OVA Eulope COME FROM AZNS??? Yon yon yon yon yon yon, WAAAHHHH!!!

I mean europeans would like to see themsleves as “unique”, but you really are no more than a mix of middle eastern and mongoloid. It’s s the way it is, nothing more, ask any honest geneticist.

Awwwww, hawhawhawhawhaw!! dat rearry REARRY funny!!! White peopaw just MONGOROID n Middaw Eastern, HAWHAWHAHWHAW!!!!  loll on froor raughing!!!!!

You guys are making the mistake of claiming the indo europeans buried their kins in kurgans or rode horses, you can forget about that, the oldest domesticated horses were found in ancient kazakstan, yeah.

Awwww hawhawhawhaw rearry rearry REARRY funny!!! Don’t you know how fah da Eurasian steppe exten’, China Man? There was no “Ukraine” or “Kazakhstan” in 3000BC. “Ukrainian hypothesis” is shorthand for: Eurasian steppe hypothesis. Oops! China Man make stlaw meng argument.

the indo europeans cremated their kins,

Later, starting in Greece and Italy, after contact with European natives. As they did in Indo-Pak, after living with those darkies. Curiously, Zoroastrians “expose” their dead—in towers, kinda like kurgans.

like in middle east, drank wine like everybody in middle east,

And lacked a native word for “wine”.

eat bread like other middle eastern people,

Although their words for bread mean “boil”, “bubble”.

Their lifestyle, farming

And lacked words for farming.

so their languages became dominant by culture not by war.

Despite words relating to warfare.

If you farm you wait for the food to grow literally,

China Man know wut he torking about. His peopaw fom rong rong time.

instead of going after ruuning game

You mean like cave paintings depicting the hunt? or Doric legends of boar-chasing? Scythian legends of the golden stag?

collecting wild berries

Ok, ok. The Finno-Ugrics did that!

There was a population explosion in neolithics due to farming.

There was a population expansion in neolithics due to stock-breeding. On the steppes.

You know where the kurgans are? In Siberia primarily.

Kurgans per se are not the point; that was Gimbutas convention. Pit graves exist all over Eastern Europe ... the Balkans .... central Asia ... well into Xinjiang. Ruh roh!

You do understand that there was cultural borrowing on the Continent, yes? like how the Han were given the wheel and the horse by the ??? ???

indo-europeans: middle eastern origin, from anatolia, wheat and barley bread, wine, sheep and cows,

Despite lacking words for wheat, barley, bread, and wine at the earliest linguistic stratum.

Siberian steppe nomads: horses domesticated in today’s area of kazakstan, they dug up bones with a mouth bit, I think.

Yon yon yon yon yon. Siberians adopted habits from Aryans, just as the Red Man did. Yon yon yon yon yon, hate white peopawww.

genetics don’t lie.

Ignorant Chinee do. Your queue’s a little tight, loosen up.

Listen stupid fuck:

If R1a is a indo european marker, why don’t dutch have R1a, are they not indo european speakers?
The same goes for brits, norwegians etc.
Altaics are mongoloid people in siberia, you stupid useless american!, there was no fucking movement from indo european people into siberia, the first white russians appear only a couple hundred years ago in Siberia.
Oh fuck r1b does not exist in asia, what the fuck, if those fucked up white geneticist would do a good job you wouldn’t be so fucking disinformed!
you fucking stupid fuck, I tried to type it as clear as possible in your fucked up language but still it’s not clear.
you are out of your fucking mind, europeans are very high in middle eastern markers, like J2, E3b, and I1 (I1 is a sister clade of J2). And the european females, J,T, U, V, but not H because H came from kazakstan.

where did you find the links via fucked up wikipedia bullshit or something, it’s full of crap! I don’t read crap links!

You don’t believe me?Just show it to one of your biology profs in stanford, MIT or whatever overrated institution in the fucked up states of america!

you stupid fuck: spain is full of J2 and e3b can you tell difference between spaniards and lebanese?
That will give you a lead, or can you tell portuguese apart from maroccans?!

You stupid dumb ass if you don’t know the difference between a kurgan and a pit grave, then why are you reacting to me message, you know nothing about the subject except blablabla about “urheimat” maybe you are really stupid.

A kurgan is a man made small mountain or big heap of earth covering the grave chamber.
A pit grave is a kind of grave like a hole in the earth.

Kurgans are man made mountains to speak of.

as stupid as most americans are, the most stupid people on this planet,it would be a pleasure to wipe them out, ignorant people, ok, but stupid people… maybe there is a final solution to that!

you stupid useless american!

There. Does it not feel better to be honest?

where did you find the links via fucked up wikipedia bullshit or something, it’s full of crap! I don’t read crap links!

Nor books, evidently. Not by “fucked up white geneticists”, at least. Because white people are evil middle eastern mongoloids, as you have shown, conclusively.

A kurgan is a man made small mountain or big heap of earth covering the grave chamber.
A pit grave is a kind of grave like a hole in the earth.

I say t??me?to?, you say t??m??t??.

Scurry off now, Ding Dong Wang. Someone’s tea is going cold.

Well well well, stupid america man from trailer park wants to say something.

I want to add this: america is a fucked up society and everything america stand for should be avoided by true patriotic Chinese like the fucking rubber sole hamburgers, the fucking cars they drive, the fucking hollywood movies they make, plus everything considered western values like democracy and other crap!

I am so glad that americans know how true Chinese patriots think.

C.M.,

What has China given to the world, really? Very little. The few things of value only became valuable when the white man was able to perceive alternative uses.

And remember: China has always had the largest population in the world, as well as the excellent old Confucian civil service. And yet, the Chinese have accomplished comparatively little (not just in science and technology, but the arts, music, literature, philosophy, etc).

Almost everything of value on the planet came from the Aryan (though in recent centuries the Jews have, it must be admitted, also made some positive contributions, along with a lot of negative ones).

I’m not sure you’re even a real Chinaman.

Sure sure, belgium man also wants to make a contribution, I wil take my gunpowdered pistol against your fucking electric invented what?

The big mistake is that China did not take full advantage of everything we invented, instead we were just too peaceful but this mistake will not happen again. If we used gunpowder to slaughter other people, China would have a much higher living standards.

what value? your prada handbags, your eau de cologne (cost 10 eurocent ingredients, alcohol, water, artificial flavor) that sell for excessive dollars?
what have you invented that is worth anything? movies? music? every culture has invented entertainment, I don’t give a fuck about hollywood movies.

west has invented nothing that is useful, do you relly think the overrated and overpriced western stuff are things considered useful?

the only thing you succeeded in tricking all these backward and stupid people in buying western crap like handbags and “brand” clothing like those 3 dollar jeans that sell for 200 euro.

Just look at those useless monkeys in the desert with their oilmoney, they hired these whites to build a golf course in the middle of desert, great invention golf course in desert!

you think inventing mass production is some kind of big feat of whites?
you may have defeated those arabs and other monkeys but first defeat us on the field before I think west is so great, because I am not convinced at all.

The big mistake is that China did not take full advantage of everything we invented, instead we were just too peaceful but this mistake will not happen again.

It is really a pity that you inimitably peaceful, South Asia-conquering, Sun Tzu-reading Chinese were unable to profit from “your” one game-changing invention because “you” were too busy beheading and immolating each other (Warring States), before adopting the crossbow and Western cavalry tactics in pursuit of your prideful navel-gazing. Paw’ peace-roving Chinee! He smoke his opium while white devo’ rape the centre du cul du monde.

Just look at those useless monkeys in the desert with their oilmoney,

Our ancestors, you mean? rorzrorzrorzrorzrzrzrzzz

you think inventing mass production is some kind of big feat of whites?

About as big as inventing the wheel. Which one of your Emperors ordered through the Sears-Roebuck, Silk Road Edition along with horses that “sweat blood”.

Michio Kaku explains
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK0Y9j_CGgM&feature=topvideos_science

Basically, USA is a superpower because of the Indians , because of the Chinese, and because of other immigrants who are not pure breed whites. Without them USA would be nowhere.

I think one group that should be specifically mentioned are the Jews that immigrated to USA at late 19th and early 20th century. Most of America’s big name projects(nuclear, space, computers etc) of the 20th had Jewish and Eastern European names written all over them. But Jews are not white, of course. They look more like a mix of relatively upper-cast Indians and pure-breed whites.  They are like half-breeds who have interbred for many centuries.

So, what USA currently boasts of has very little to do with “white supremacy” and has lot more to do with “white diplomacy” - to be able to steal the best minds from the rest of the world. The pure breed whites have contributed very little compared to what they have stolen from the other great minds - not just from India and China, all over the world - The middle east (especially Israel, Syria, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Uzbekistan etc), the eastern half of Europe( as far as Russia) and also to some extent from Latin America and Africa.

The pure-breed whites, however, have contributed in barbaric ways. Most of the wars have been started by them. Forget the Hiroshima, forget the Nazis, take more recent examples - There is a Hiroshima right now in Iraq - More handicapped and disabled children are being born in Falujah than rest of the world combined-(USA, of course, denies that) , Afghanistan was destroyed and most recently in Northern Africa where they got their European pet dogs to wag their tails for them. The pictures of destruction coming from northern Africa were more horrifying than WTC on September 11.

Oh and fight terrorism? Don’t make us laugh! Noam Chomsky said the right thing - he pointed out the barbaric activities that was done by USA and Bush. Bush has killed at least a dozen times more than what Laden did - yet, USA didn’t even ask for any permissions before invading Pakistan and Afghanistan. Mr. Chomsky points how they broke International laws! He rightly asked about how USA would react if these countries invaded the white house and killed Bush and left?

Hell, they don’t even know how to respect their own heroes! Just look at how they treated BOBBY FISCHER!

Oh and Indians are poor? China is poor? Yes, some are - but the thing is the cost these people have to pay are also much less - so most live quite stress free. And you don’t have to live glamorously to live comfortably.

Oh and Indians are poor? China is poor? Yes, some are - but the thing is the cost these people have to pay are also much less - so most live quite stress free. And you don’t have to live glamorously to live comfortably.

1. Don’t try to lump India with China, you are just flattering yourself. It makes more sense to lump India with Africa. China has done a far better job feeding, educating and employing it’s people than India.

2. it is so typical of Hindus to lie about or callously dismiss the massive hunger and poverty of India like you are doing. How can you live “comfortably” when you are starving or malnourished? Or when you don’t have access to clean water or toilets? There are more far more hungry women and children in India than in all of Africa. Over half of all Indian children are malnourished. Shame on you for pretending they are living comfortable lives!

3. America can easily remain wealthy without immigrants from India. Don’t flatter yourself so much. These Indians should instead be trying to develop their hungry and impoverished motherland which needs them far more than already developed nations like America.

R1a most likely originated in western india looking at the Coalescent time estimates for R1a1a(xM458).

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2987245/?tool=pmcentrez

wow, lol this forum started to get pretty crazy with the name calling. I was always been curious about genetics. It doesn’t really matter after all if you are European, Asian or African.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10609407

“Eight Indian states account for more poor people than in the 26 poorest African countries combined, a new measure of global poverty has found.

The Indian states, including Bihar, Uttar Pradesh and West Bengal, have 421 million “poor” people, the study found.

This is more than the 410 million poor in the poorest African countries, it said.”

Uh,

Missed your comment. That’s a great story, and I didn’t know the other white meats self-identify as wogs there.

Well, there were only two sorts of people in the Australia I grew up in: ‘wogs’ and ‘aussies’ (unless you counted the abos…but, well, you know…), and everyone knew it; so, ‘self’-identify, yes, but only after the choice was forced on us; much the same way blacks ‘self-identify’ as niggers/niggas/niggaz.  The difference, of course, is that anglos and northern whites are permitted by society to refer to wogs as wogs, and in the presence of wogs and/or to the wog or wogs in question and not raise eyebrows or cause offense. 

That last bit depends entirely on context, of course.  I wouldn’t take offense if I were being rebuked and I knew I was in the wrong, eg cutting off someone in traffic I wouldn’t be at all shocked to hear <<BEEEEEEEP>> “ya fuckin’ wog!!!”  On the other hand, when it’s used as a provocation I’ll admit it has a way of escalating the situation.  For example, (true story) walking past a pub one night someone challenged with me, “Can your t-shirt get any tighter, ya fuckin’ wog?”  That would have been a provocation even without the ‘ya wog,’ but I probably would have let it go.  As it was, well.. the truth is I got my ass soundly kicked that night. Bastards.

I’m in favor of restricting it to negroes but these days I use “kaffir” as a rule: it sounds like a slur, it’s directed at blacks, but not one of my fellow Americans in five-thousands knows what it is. If they ask I tell. If they don’t, maybe they slink off to the bathroom and look it up on their iPhone; or they assume from context that it’s a synonym of “n*gger”.

Kaffir can work.  You can also defend its use on a religious basis, should the need arise. (Its an islamic/arabic term for an ‘unbeliever.’)  For me, though, nothing signals supreme racial frustration and disgust like ‘nigger.’ 

I have trouble with “wog” because my mouth’s muscles aren’t trained to the British manner, so the “o” is open and it sounds just weird.

No, if you’re American you don’t even bother with ‘wog.’  The American drawl takes the sting right out of it. The effect is akin to that of pronouncing nigger with an long ‘i’—n-eye-gger.  Doesn’t work.

Guys like you will never be satisfied, for, as I contend, you’ve swallowed the postmodern academic lie that nothing is certain, pushed in to the hilt when it comes to the Aryans, who must not be allowed to have existed.

Cutting remark.  This is one reason I’m a racist-even-though-I’m-not-all-that-racist: I just can’t stand all the nauseating bullshit spoken about race.  Even though I’m convinced that a life lived racially is a life better lived—and which is why I’ll support WNs, even hardass ones, despite my great dislike/wariness of them—I actually find it hard to get worked up over race in real life (except when it comes to nogs [in numbers] and their ways).  But when it comes to racial obscurantism—or anti-white animus masquerading as obscurantism—I have to put my foot down.  You’re hardly wrong, Uh: things have degraded to the point where even allowing that Aryans existed (or exist) is considered repugnant.  It’s virtually a form of ‘reverse white supremacy’ (especially when pushed by Aryans themselves): yes, whites once lived in all these lands and accomplished great feats but this must never be acknowledged, because the weight of such knowledge would simply crush non-whites, delicate little flowers that they are. 

What rubbish it all is.  I want the facts.  I’m a big boy, I can take it.  If the truth is that Aryans accomplished (and accomplish, but more the former, or so I would argue) pretty much everything of note in this world, then I want to know about it.  I couldn’t care less what such truth (allegedly) ‘says’ about me or people like me.  Obviously there is no shortage of WN types who like to gleefully claim it means non-whites are useless, inferior vermin, parasites, blah blah, but in reality it’s within every individual’s power to decide for himself whether to value his individual and group existence and to live his life in accordance with such value or not, regardless of what ‘the facts say’ or of what other people think.  If anti-racists truly wished to empower people to ‘overcome racism,’ clearly a better way to do so would be to enable individuals and groups to adopt self-valuing attitudes and maintain them and reinforce them over time, rather than to demand that the world change (and in the case of the white world, cease to exist) so that they can feel better about themselves. (I say if anti-racists ‘truly’ wished to help because a large contingent of anti-racists do not truly wish to help at all.  ‘Anti-racism’ is just their latest means of prosecuting the revolutionary transformation of society that, for reasons normal people find hard to grasp, they remain ever so keen on. And if they hate racists so much that they can’t help but do everything in their power to ruin racists’ lives, empowering people to ‘overcome racism’ on their own is more powerful here also, if one considers the exasperation of those racists who base their racism on feeling superior—since the thrill of feeling superior dissipates if the party you’re feeling superior to doesn’t seem to care.

To the hindu “Matt”

“R1a most likely originated in western india looking at the Coalescent time estimates for R1a1a(xM458)”

matt: Just browse “M45”, just to read your own stupidty.

M45 is the overlapping “parental group” of Eurasians which includes Americans Indians, now are you saying that “american Indians” originate from western india ?!

How stupid are you?

I say it again: R1a and R1b originate in northern China. There are the oldest R1a and R1b lineages, going back to tens of thousands of years.

R1b is rediculously young compared to Asian (Chinese) and it’s the same for R1a, oldest R1a is found in Russia, with coalescent age of 12000 years, compare that to Chinese 23000 years.
The european R1a and R1b are just younger branches of Chinese!

I have seen some figures in a report about the coalescent age of R1a and R1b.

The oldest European R1a is found in Russia (as expected because Russia is a neighbour of China) then the age diminish westwards. Logical after all, compare it to the branches of a tree.
Now Russia 12000 years, then 9000 years the Balkan, and then 5000 years the R1a in countries like Norway.

R1b is even younger in some parts of Europe:just a rediculous 3000 years ago that R1b people arrived in countries like Spain and Ireland (youngest). Now it’s not the point where the percentage is the highest as someone said, the percentage is not important, there is a Siberian tribe who whas over 90 percent of R1a, we call this genetic drift. So you can blablabla that Europe has high percentage of R1a and R1b, but that does not mean it originates in Europe. In my previous post I gave this example of N3 of Finnish people: they are in the range of 60% compared to 12.5% in northern China, but does this mean the higher percentage is the place of origin? No, the only thing that is important is the coalescent age of the particular gene, which is also just about 3000-2000 years old. N3 in Europe is the most youngest of all male haplogroups. The N3 in China is much older because it originates there.

To claim otherwise is like claiming that the australians are the ancestors of english, just as stupid.

A bit of logical thinking in europeans would be wellcome, europeans are people who like to delude themselves with everything.

I say it again: R1a and R1b originate in northern China.

cf.

The oldest European R1a is found in Russia (as expected because Russia is a neighbour of China)

Someone’s having to give ground.

By the way, Russia = “Ukraine”.

Oops! Back to “Europe” go the Aryanz.

So you can blablabla that Europe has high percentage of R1a and R1b, but that does not mean it originates in Europe.

The claim is not that R1a originated in West Europe; but that it originated in the Russian expanse, probably in or around “the borderland”, Ukraine.

Whether R1b originated in the Pyrenees or not is out of my specialty. Seems likely given the environmental pressure (LGM) exactly analogous to that which is thought to have seen the birth of R1a in the east. 

Wait, why the f*ck am I trying to reason with anti-white Chinese supremacist?

Tea’s getting cold, Fang To Dong. Time to replenish. Do you like your queue pulled sometimes? I bet you do, naughty naughty chinee. No tickee no pockee.

The whole idea of ukranian refuge or something is totally stupid. but to get back to r1a, the oldest R1a found in europe is in russia, the oldest R1a of ALL, you stupid moron, is in China!

CAN YOU READ?!

There was no fucking ukranian refuge in ice age, some moron introduce this idea and the other morons just copy and paste.

“Whether R1b originated in the Pyrenees or not is out of my specialty”
Of course you know nothing as you admitted: I would be surprised if you knew anything at all.