Now that these bones were DNA tested, we know that the Palestinians are NOT related to the Philstinians, but rather closely related to the pigs. That's why they behave accordingly.
Unlike Native Americans the modern day Philistines wont complain when you dig up there 10,000 year old ancestors. Oh wait,there are no modern day philistines left to complain, lol.
That's the bibles estimate. However, enemies are often made to be much larger, so they can be killed by just a small child with just a rock thrown from just a slingshot. This may just be a "bible fable" told to make David look more kingly later in the bible. The side that wins writes the stories, usually to portray a moral lesson of some sort.
With all the talk about bible figures i don't believe a single person in the bible remains, skeletons, graves have been found. But scientist, archeologist have found dinosaurs and cave men neanderthal ( none of which are mentioned in the bible) bones and fossils all over the place, why is that.
James I'm well aware of that; but using it as a point to enhance a biblical story is what I questioned; not its ability to kill. Many helmets actually had nose plates, like the Spartans.
JohnV. Yes 'nephilim' leads exactly where you want it to lead, a BIBILE fabricated story. Do you realize that when dinosaur bones were found during the Middle Ages (Dark Ages) they were thought to be the bones of giant humans? Again, the pictures etc, aren't based on scientific finds, but just great illustrations drawn to supplement biblical stories. Live happily with your belief system if it gives you comfort. I value scientific evidence and proof, more than what just ONE book of stories and fables written does. All I want is that your views are kept in Churches, and NOT our schools. I don't believe ignorance is bliss, and there are enough children's books that start "Once Upon a Time". Genesis 101
JohnV Thank you for the thumb down. That's why I want a separation FROM religion in our schools. Today's Christians are good people, but going back 500 years and the Crusades, no democracies, killing each other and disbelievers made them look very similar to the Middle East today.
John, Nephilim? You do know that to date there has been ZERO finds to back up such a claim. One would think if such a thing existed it would have been found by now. Seems once more you are reading the wrong book.
Most of what people refer to Nephilim had to do with the English and other translators believing in such thing, the actual Hebrew never has such a word, they called them Giants, this would have been a people most likely a little taller then the modern average. These people remember were hard pressed to get to 5 ft due to nutrition, a person 5'9' would have been very tall for them, get someone 7 ft tall they would have been seen like a giant.
And the Crusades was more a reaction towards Muslims into what was seen then as Christian lands, and it was over the trade routes, Europe needed these open. The fact is religion had very little to do with this other then it being used to stir up the ignorant masses. If any of them actually read what Christians really believe in as taught in their scriptures, they would not have fought.
Really, and your proof of this is where exactly? The problem you have is both micro or macro is both impossible to prove, evolution is the only part of science that is said to be a scientific fact without proof. Can not say I am a supporter of it, not saying creationism is the way it was, think one day will will see a better theory without all the obvious holes one sees with evolution or the impossibility of proving a divine spirit or being created all as you see in creationism.
Will their is literally k9 difference between catholics and other protestant heresies from a point of an atheist they would all believe in 1 god and the bible.
Elliot, and I wish you would keep your views to yourself. Your choice to believe what YOU want, just don't force it on me or in school as the absolute truth.
Regular Guy I SAID you were perfectly free to believe as you want, but not force religious views into our educational system. Yes, I CAN FORCE YOU TO KEEP YOUR BIBLE BELIEFS OUT OF THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS!!! Have you not heard of the separation of church and state? Do you know the reason why Churches pay NO TAXES, but use services like the USPS for free? Teach whatever YOU believe in YOUR church, BUT NEVER WILL I EVER ALLOW RELIGIOUS BIAS TO ENTER OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM. Your mental indoctrination was from infancy one, and you'll never be capable of changing that; but I won't allow it to happen to my children or grandchildren. I'm sorry but belief in Intelligent Design is showing pure stupidity. Most modern day Christians actually are aware of this, and have helped give women the right to vote, and gay people more rights as people. Do you know why women were burned at the stake, while most men were hanged? It was considered immoral to hang a woman because they didn't wear underwear, so their "female parts" would be exposed! The fact that it was cruel and unusual punishment didn't mean anything, as well as allowing torture to obtain confessions. It was SECULAR (State Laws) that eliminated it, not religion. (Look at ISIS, and you can see how barbaric and fanatical religion can become.)
Lets not forget the Muslims crusades. The last was stopped before the gates of Vienna around 1683. The Muslims had already conquered the Balkans and Greece did not gain its independence again until 1829. Greece was occupied by the Ottoman Empire for around 400 years.
Yo Elliot, which are 'your' schools? Do you represent some cryptic group I'm unaware of? And I guess the Dead Sea Scrolls are a bunch of fables as well. Good luck with your Harry Potter approach to reality.
This is science, folks, not religion. This cemetery exists and that is a fact. Since it has religious significance there will be some reference to that. This is not about you or your religion, but about a discovery that may shed light on some historical writings.
You contradict yourself. Anything having religious significance is religiously significant!
These archaeological finds verify places, events and in some cases cultural norms that have had their truth questioned in books written by anti-religion bigots. There are now some 92% of the places mentioned in the Bible verified as having existed at the time stated in the Bible and in the place mentioned. This gives credibility to the accurate historicity of the Bible. Finds relating to events and culture also add credibility to the historicity of the Bible.
One has to characterize the Bible as a book not only of religion but one of history and philosophy. Combined, these form the basis for a religion. The moral laws mentioned in the Bible are equally as important. There is a science called hermeneutics that attempts to accurately interpret language and customs appropriate to a given time period and a specific people. Science is an invaluable tool in verifying the accuracy and ultimately the truth of the Bible.
Who knew that the thing that was supposed to replace religion actually supports it. As physicist Dr. Michio Kaku said a few years ago, people will still believe in God and Jesus a thousand years from now simply because science cannot replace the Bible because the Bible is not a science book. Dr. Kaku also said recently that he, like Einstein, believes that the universe was manipulated by a significantly higher intelligence than is capable of by mankind. Both Kaku and Einstein call themselves agnostic secular theists, their "god" being an entity with an intelligence several orders of magnitude greater than our own but probably not a moral lawgiver.
bible= Latin for 'book'. ANYONE can write, plagiarize, redact and re-purpose fairy tales from other societies to meet the needs of their own diaspora or agenda, insert the names of historical personages in their fictitious diatribes and delusions. and then the Serpent said.....
Your conclusion is invalid. That biblical sites are verifiable does NOT prove the events related therein. A more plausible conclusion would be : since biblical sites are verifiable, fiction writers of biblical times used real locations for their stories.
YES ditch donkey YOU can write, plagiarize, redact and re-purpose fairy tales from other societes to meet your needs of your own diaspora or agenda, insert the names of historical personages in your fictitious diatribes and delusions. Sorry others didn't in the case of the Bible.
Thank you for sharing with us YOUR story, YOUR character, YOUR heart, YOUR evil, YOUR doubts, YOUR ways, YOUR life.
The Bible was written before many of these places that are being dug up was considered real. In fact, many scientists, who only believe what can be seen by their limited eyes, often claimed that the places and people in the Bible was fictional. Now that more and more digs are showing that people and places not only existed, but is causing the science community to change their miscalculations of when man became intelligent. Science is limited by discovery, history is not. The Bible is just as much a history book as the ones about our long dead presidents, only more truthful since most in the Bible are not always heroic and perfect.
The story of the bible revolves around an impossible premise, a woman who never had sex got pregnant? Please explain that to me and maybe I wont think you're crazy..
Did anyone ever doubt that the places and races mentioned in the bible are real? Why would they not be? Los Angeles is real and the people who live there are Americans. However, that does not mean that every piece of literature or every movie that is produced by those who live there is factual.
Real people and real places do not equal accurate interpretation of events.
@ Patrick; Genesis 4:1 Now Adam had intercourse with Eve his wife and she became pregnant. In time she gave birth to Cain and said: "I have produced a man with the aid of Jehovah." (New World Translation) The King James Version says "And Adam Knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said "I have gotten a man from the Lord"
There are a lot of things the Bible doesn't write about in particular, the things it does have in it is there because it means our life it means survival to those who use it correctly. Anybody can buy a DVR, with instructions, but if they place a peanut butter sandwich in it it's not gonna turn into a toaster just because you want it to. The same with the Bible, you want it to be a book of myths so you turn it into toast to pervert it's instructions. A lot of things written about dinosaurs you have to believe from man in the same way as this book that was dug up. This book survived major burning, different rules in civilization, and hatred. Roman Emperor ordered that all early Christian literature be destroyed yet thousands of manuscripts and pieces and fragments survived that. So if left to man, the most hated book in history would not now be the most widely owned book in history.
As far as a virgin getting pregnant, not only do you miss out on God's power being much greater than man's, after all he created the things science still has yet to discover, things seen and unseen. If something can create the sun, moon, etc, it's not sneaking a fastball past ya to know he can place a babe in a womb. God followed creation's rules he had set for us, in order for a perfect human to walk the earth again, he had to be born after 9 months and yet not be born of sin. And no God did not have sex with Mary, that is not backed by the Bible. Let's liken God's holy spirit to the wind, we see proof of the wind in movement, we miss what the wind is doing until we see evidence of pollination on our cars. We see lightening but we don't see how vegetation uses it for growth. Jesus, who gave up his spirit form in heaven in order to become human on earth, was truly and totally human while here, use of God's spirit, or the force he uses, comes from God. When he formed mountains did you think he used actual hands? Separate what you know about the Greek myths and maybe there would be better understanding.
god is a moronic fictional myth. any so called omnipotent deity who says they made the sun, moon and stars is a moron for not knowing the sun IS a FRAKKING STAR itself.
How was the Grand Canyon formed? We only need to eat to live, but why do we have taste buds? We need water to survive and yet we are filled with water, who set up our body ways of cleansing itself from inside? Why is our thumb not in the middle? Why are our noses not where our ears are? So many creations have antennae where is ours? How is it that science has categories for every species? We all came from the same place right? All made up by same compounds, even the trees and the rocks, and yet our DNA which are like small communities of their own, are decidedly different. God gave instructions on laws and cleanliness to Israel, different to most cities at the time. Written before humans knew that waste can cause disease was instructions to create a waste site outside the city. A doctor in the 1800's (I think it was 1800's) found out that doctor's handling dead bodies then delivering babies or handling other sick people was causing a well known fever at that time. What kind of wisdom led a mere man to write that after handling the dead a person had to be clean before touching anything else? 1000's of years before this doctor figured it out, already written by Moses, in this dug up scrolls, fragments, book. Btw, other doctors called him a quake and was offended when that doc told them to wash their hands. Yes, several wayward Bible copyists did plant untrue and bias to their beliefs sentences here and there, but in revisions holding true to original manuscripts they have been removed. Do you know that people who hoped to disprove the truths in the Bible were the one's who started 'the earth' is flat theory? I say that because this attitude has always been just as there has always been and will always be people who believe the Bible is God's inspired word. Just in case you think man is any more smarter now than in the past just because they choose not to believe.
Joseph was a cuckold that got off from watching "God" the Bull impregnate his wife Mary and enjoyed having to raise his kid who enjoyed gay parties in the desert with just 12 other men that lasted 40 days and 40 nights. The Bible didn't mention anything about bull prepping or creampies nor did it mention anything about Jesus turning sand into cocaine or pebbles into Viagra pills when he turned water into wine for his parties. Those details would have been too embarrassing.
A creampie without penetration would have sufficient to impregnate. It could have been an act of further cuckold humiliation to refuse to penetrate and just shoot a creampie on her to impregnate.
Patrick the Bible does not revolve around that premise, that is just a link in the wheels of a chariot. And the Bible and the things in it is only impossible to a limited mind. Just because you are limited does not make things untrue. Especially since you probably never read it just heard it. I don't mind if you think I'm crazy, so believe or not, up to you.
The Bible revolves around what Adam and Eve did in the garden and how it effects us to this day. Jesus' birth as a perfect human is a solution to those effects. People who just want to challenge what they don't even know miniaturize what their egos are so afraid to reason. Anybody that can see a car and know it was created part by part, or see a home or huge building and know it was conceptualized and created, or buy a computer and know some intelligence conceptualized, created, instructed on it's use and yet can't see that something as complicated as a flower, bee, human, let alone the things in the far off space had to have been conceptualized, created, with instructions and precise measurements...well that person can call me crazy all day and we will just be crazy together.
well it is actually about religion because the Philistines are mentioned in the bible, and these findings are confirming the bible right and thanks to the bible mentioned them it is that they have been able to figure out what skeletons these are
Instead of what the Bible history is, what is told about the near future is more pertinent and will probably make some of you much more happier, temporarily. A Revelation prophecy speaks of all religions...I should say, false religion, will be destroyed by all the ones who support it today like commerce, politicians, governments. The Bible will still stand though, the last part of Rev. says that more will be added to it. When you see this thing with false religion happen, if you can find a bible, you may wanna read what happens next. It's why those that hate religion happiness will only be temporary. Course this may be fable to ya too. I mean the entire reason to deny the Bible is to deny the consequences, the law...etc. What sane man would want to put himself on death row for living life the way he chose? Bible prophecy speaks of that too though, that unbelievers and those who could care less either way would be even while destruction is going on. Which is why anyone believing or not is none of my concern, I don't need that in order to know what I know and speak on it. And no I do not believe I am going to heaven. I do believe if I die right now I would be the same place and in the same condition as any one of you in case of your deaths. In other words, I don't consider myself any more special than those that believe or disbelieve.
I'm not aware the Babylonians left any writing or artifacts about their destruction of the Philistines. Sometimes the victors don't leave any history behind themselves.
Yep. Look how today in modern times the Holocaust is alive and well but no one talks about the millions of German POWs and civilians killed at the hands of the Soviets, Brits and Americans during WW II.
When Saul and Jonathan were killed, the bible states "Tell it not in Ashkelon, and publish it not in Gath, lest the daughters of the Philistines rejoice, lest the daughter of the uncircumcised triumph. "
Dude circumcision is such a crude practice - all it does is leave a penis unexposed with no natural protection and therefore if the penis gets injured - more likely the infection - there's a reason why countless civilizations aside from pathetic Muslims and Zionists don't practice such a crude tradition- it's dangerous and inhuman and no scientific research so far has proven the claim that it actually lessens chance of STIs - stop thinking thou is truly holier - pathetic unproven beliefs
Ok the mystery of the Philistine people of the ancient biblical texts have long been identified with probable hypothesis - the Philistines were adopted natives to the land of Canaan and descended from the early Sea Peoples that launched historic invasions of places like Egypts Old Kingdom, the Hittite Empire, and all throughout the Mediterranean at one point during the time as ancient as the Pharoahs of Egypt around Old Kingdom around roughly 2000-1000 BCE. The Philistines were probably remnant tribes of the Sea People's who chose to settle in Canaan and based on what archaeologist find , maybe who knows if time serves correctly we may find more info and this piece of the puzzle can finally shed some light on the Palestinians and their ancient heritage alongside being descendants of Ismail as Jews were from Isaac . They must have ate a lot of pita bread during their time LOL along with kibbeh, yum - hope the archaeologists find some yummy traces.
There is a book by Werner Keller, called " The Bible as History" which correlates physical findings with Bible stories. Like the Gilgamesh, it is History with facts and fiction, invented by people, translating and interpreting and making religion out of it.
It makes for fascinating reading , even and maybe especially , if you are not weighed down with religion to color everything only one way.
This is a spiritual battle, as when the Bible declares that we do not fight against flesh and blood, but against principalities. So there are fallen angels who hate God and deceive man and continue to do so. If you read the words of Christ, in the King James Bible, you will find the truth. No other religion or tradition comes close to what Jesus Christ did and continues to do in people's lives. Nowhere will you find a greater love than that which is demonstrated in the New Testament.
There's a book called The Bible Unearthed by Finklestein and Silber which shows that archaeology disproves the major stories of the Bible. Unfortunately archaeology has been set back by decades because it's long been dominated by Christians trying to force the data into conformity with the Bible.
I'm sure there are just as many books that show archaeology proves the Bible to be historically accurate. I know Herod's tomb to be one such example. The proof will always be that all you need to do is ask. Ask Jesus to come into your life, with sincerity and humility. Unfortunately, a lot of people do not do this until they are ready to take their lives or are at the bottom of the barrel, so to speak.
Cobra, the Bible also mentions houses, does that mean I can't believe houses exist? Are Atheists allowed to believe anything exists that's mentioned in the Bible? Honestly, I find it hard to believe you're a pastor, that was not an intelligent argument.
You're the one who decided finding 6 normal sized skeletons disproves the whole bible. If that's your idea of smart telling me I'm acting stupid is either a meaningless comment or a mega compliment.
I come from the planet Pluto my name zarto my spaceship was attacked and destroyed while i was attempting to enter earths atmosphere by a urainian fighter squadron that was dispatched from Uranus however i was able to crash land in the indian ocean where i had to walk under water for 3 months before hitting land. The plutonians and urainians have been in a intergalactic war since earths formation. I have been living on this planet since 410 bc. i have some knowledge about the people in this article i have even been invited to the by babylonians to meet with their king over many centurys they have had good kings and bad Nebuchadanezzar was a ruthless one. Anyhow since arriving the grand Shepard of pluto authorized over the years 3 mother ships to pick me up but those urainian fighter squadrons blew the up.
I'm waiting for the skeleton of a nine foot giant with a gash in it's skull to be found. Though I doubt that will happen. They say that as he fell the army scattered, so I'm sure that Israel was in charge of his corpse after David smoted him. He probably never got a special burial by either side. And God knows if they (Israel) even buried him or left him to rot in the sun. Then again maybe they dragged him to town and hung him in effigy. details, details, details. Nobody cared to write down the details back then. LOL
Philistines came from the sea, they could have left from Persia, Babylon, Egypt or elsewhere
Americans travel by land, Air and Sea, so just because they came from the sea does not prove they might be related to people from any middle east country
I do recall reading that the Philistines had originally emigrated from Crete. As the story points out, the modern descendants (Palestinians) no longer share this heritage. Interesting to read that there is a Mycenaean link. Can't wait for the DNA analysis.
The modern descendants? Hm, must have missed out the part where the Babylonians wiped them out. There are no Philistines alive today, and the so called Palestinians, they are Arabs that migrated from Arabia, they have nothing whatsoever to do with the Philistines, this is nothing but a lie.
@All. If you read my comments more closely, you'd see that the modern descendants no longer share this heritage with the Philistines. The story states that although they may share words or names, they have just taken these on, possibly after living close with the Philistines over the years. There is NO modern collection on a DNA level. Hope that clears it up. I AGREE with all above comments. Maybe I wasn't too clear with my own comment.
The problem is going to be when they release these findings. Does not matter how they publish them, when they are if they are found to disprove the Arab Palestinian claim that they came from them, and there is zero historical evidence they did, then you are going to hear screams of condemnation that it is another Jewish conspiracy, even though by what I have found is they have multiple labs around the world doing the testing to avoid exactly this.
But then logic, education, seems not to come into these claims, no matter what the find, how good you spread out the findings, people are going to yell if the findings do not support their own narrative.
This is fascinating. I can't wait for the DNA analysis. I would love to know for sure what region they came from and why there's so little known about them.
This is the first time I have heard that nobody knows about them. I thought they were ancestors to the Palestinians, but this is wrong. I didn't realize they were wiped out by the Babylonians. Fascinating!
Philistines came from the sea, they could have left from Persia, Babylon, Egypt or elsewhere
Americans travel by land, Air and Sea, so just because they came from the sea does not prove they might be related to people from any middle east country
