I come from the planet Pluto my name zarto my spaceship was attacked and destroyed while i was attempting to enter earths atmosphere by a urainian fighter squadron that was dispatched from Uranus however i was able to crash land in the indian ocean where i had to walk under water for 3 months before hitting land. The plutonians and urainians have been in a intergalactic war since earths formation. I have been living on this planet since 410 bc. i have some knowledge about the people in this article i have even been invited to the by babylonians to meet with their king over many centurys they have had good kings and bad Nebuchadanezzar was a ruthless one. Anyhow since arriving the grand Shepard of pluto authorized over the years 3 mother ships to pick me up but those urainian fighter squadrons blew the up.
I'm waiting for the skeleton of a nine foot giant with a gash in it's skull to be found. Though I doubt that will happen. They say that as he fell the army scattered, so I'm sure that Israel was in charge of his corpse after David smoted him. He probably never got a special burial by either side. And God knows if they (Israel) even buried him or left him to rot in the sun. Then again maybe they dragged him to town and hung him in effigy. details, details, details. Nobody cared to write down the details back then. LOL
Philistines came from the sea, they could have left from Persia, Babylon, Egypt or elsewhere
Americans travel by land, Air and Sea, so just because they came from the sea does not prove they might be related to people from any middle east country
I do recall reading that the Philistines had originally emigrated from Crete. As the story points out, the modern descendants (Palestinians) no longer share this heritage. Interesting to read that there is a Mycenaean link. Can't wait for the DNA analysis.
The modern descendants? Hm, must have missed out the part where the Babylonians wiped them out. There are no Philistines alive today, and the so called Palestinians, they are Arabs that migrated from Arabia, they have nothing whatsoever to do with the Philistines, this is nothing but a lie.
@All. If you read my comments more closely, you'd see that the modern descendants no longer share this heritage with the Philistines. The story states that although they may share words or names, they have just taken these on, possibly after living close with the Philistines over the years. There is NO modern collection on a DNA level. Hope that clears it up. I AGREE with all above comments. Maybe I wasn't too clear with my own comment.
The problem is going to be when they release these findings. Does not matter how they publish them, when they are if they are found to disprove the Arab Palestinian claim that they came from them, and there is zero historical evidence they did, then you are going to hear screams of condemnation that it is another Jewish conspiracy, even though by what I have found is they have multiple labs around the world doing the testing to avoid exactly this.
But then logic, education, seems not to come into these claims, no matter what the find, how good you spread out the findings, people are going to yell if the findings do not support their own narrative.
This is fascinating. I can't wait for the DNA analysis. I would love to know for sure what region they came from and why there's so little known about them.
This is the first time I have heard that nobody knows about them. I thought they were ancestors to the Palestinians, but this is wrong. I didn't realize they were wiped out by the Babylonians. Fascinating!
Philistines came from the sea, they could have left from Persia, Babylon, Egypt or elsewhere
Americans travel by land, Air and Sea, so just because they came from the sea does not prove they might be related to people from any middle east country
Great article. Makes one wonder what will become of the profession of archeologists thousands of years from now. While today they dig up the past in search of clues in the bones of ancient peoples civilizations around the globe... What bones of their own civilizations will they leave buried for their future predecessors? Probably none to very little. As cremated ashes whether that of nuclear war or other means, will leave none.
Teeth whitening popularity in western cultures and elsewhere may give future archaeologists a good chuckle about 21st century narcissism :) Can you imagine a such a cemetary, excavated to reveal brightly, whitely smiling skulls.
Not all Philistines were giants, but there was a race of giants called the Nephilim. Their bones will be found eventually. Over the years, archaeologist have found evidence of places and people of the bible that "experts" insisted didn't exist.
Daniel--Just because archaeologists have found evidence of places and people described in the Bible, it doesn't prove that supernatural beings described in the Bible actually exist. The Iliad describes places that archaeologists have found (Mycanea, Troy, Sparta), but that doesn't prove that the supernatural beings (Zeus, Apollo) described in the Iliad actually exist. It was common to mix fact with fiction in writings from the Mediterranean Basin during the Biblical era.
There are vast differences of detail, honesty and humility between the two books. The Iliad doesn't shine a candle. There is also history and prophecy that underpins the bible. I read the Iliad as a child. I also read the bible as a child. As an adult, I have studied the Holy Scriptures for over thirty three years. Have you even read the bible completely? You are entitled to believe what you wish. I know what I know.
??? where were they originally from or will man still deny that their is a GOD an that there was Giants which we call fallen angels , who minga, yes we are haters of evil led with the earthlings . that is why there was a flood that wiped out the evil DNA that was in most of the people at that time . ands now the Arabs want to kill all the Jewish people , just like Herod tried to kill the CHRIST Child , JESUS an satan is still trying to get rid of the Jewish people . but they will not be wiped - out , they are GODs chosen people , they and the land belong to GOD . Islam is not the friend of Israel or the Arabs or any people group , JESUS said it plainly your father is the devil , not Abraham or GOD . I think that says it all the nonbelievers of this world are fallowing the ways of the world and not the ways of GOD . yes we are haters of the evil in this world , but not the people that are fallowing the wrong spirit , JESUS said that they hated ME an they will hate you to and the truth of MY WORD .
Dude, I have studied the bible extensively and what you are referring to is a belief held by some Jewish sects that the Giants mentioned in Genesis were descended from angles mating with humans. It should be noted that the Bible never calls them Angels. They are "sons of God". But yes, some Jews think that this refers to Angels since the idea of a human being called a child of God is quite alien to them. For Christians there is a big problem with that theory. Jesus says that those in heaven will be as the Angels and not be married or have spouses. I would warn you that when you get into theology of scripture, beliefs can go off into many strange directions. It is better to stick with literal scripture and not cherry pick and not accept as absolute a theory that contradicts another direct teaching of Christ. A "giant" may not have been anything like we imagine today or see in sci fi or in fairytales. The person might merely have been larger and stronger than average with great fighting skills. I have no doubt that there were people who existed who were considered giants by others but not Jack and the Bean Stalk Giants.
re: "We know here in Ashkelon that these Philistines were completely destroyed by (Babylonian king) Nebuchadnezzar in December of 604 BC,"
Time and again in school, I learned of civilizations being wiped out by invaders. That was 50 years ago. Come to find out that more than not, civilizations slowly adopted to new ways or assimilated into "invading" cultures. Not to say that conquest didn't play a part some time, but the complete genocide of an entire country was very rare.
Actually if you had bothered to listen more, and I taught this in school, have a doctorates in history, you would have found out that the ancient Romans, the Syrians and the Babylonians were known to either displace or wipe out nations or a people that resisted their rule. It was this iron fist and the promise of ruthless attacks sanctioned by the empires that kept their people in check.
First, when dealing on this site not dealing with a college class. So yes, I referred to them as Syrian, although we both know that there is no connection between the modern day Syrians and the ancient Assyrians, today’s Syrians, just like the so called “Palestinians” or Arabs that migrated to the area from Arabia.
Now, no genocide, and it was not common? Actually you show by this statement that you have no clue what you are talking about. First the Romans, they went into Carthage twice, wiped out everyone in the city. Then they wiped out over 5 million Jews,
Amazing as quote Tacitus "Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant"
(They plunder, they slaughter, and they steal: this they falsely name Empire, and where they make a desert, they call it peace.)
Now the Assyrians, suggest you look into the writings by Richard Frye, Simo Parpola, and Rémi Brague, these are the best authority on this subject, seems they totally disagree with you. They openly supported that the Assyrians wiped out whole people when they refused to submit, the ancient kingdom city states of Israel was a perfect example, they have found through digs the remains of Syrian arrows, found documentation from Babylon and Syria concerning their siege and destruction of these people, how they killed the majority of them and expelled the rest.
Do you want me to get into the Babylonians next? Oh wait, you have studied this much longer then I, have to ask, what exactly is your degree in? I have a doctorate in history, have studied this for over 35 years, taught it for 25 years. Would be happy to discus this with you.
You don't think anyone is buying that do you? You've been exposed. And have now trying to claim that I said "extermination of the odd city never happened" [which I did not]
You can continue to award yourself academic laurels and quoting unrelated random irrelevancies all you like. Move your goal posts without me.
annoying, no doubt. so what happened to our people when these f'ing settlers got to our continent? BIG TIME BUMMER that's for sure! they suffered a holocaust - we are reminded of that every turn of the school books... but the native people of our continent? oh yea, no need to talk about them... Better yet, the Israeli govmt assisted the local thugs in creating death squads to ensure the land was bare when they steal it from us... like those in the path of moses, our people have been constinuously murdered since 1492. go rob someone else, yes? always conditioning truth to conform with their objectives... aj'ho.
I don't get the big deal. Multiple ancient cultures have spoken of giants. Nephilim and Annunaki are the ones that are most spoken of. The Anunnaki which were supposedly aliens mated with humans to create "half-breeds" which are the Nephilim. The Sumerians which was the first human civilization were on average around 6'5-6'8. This is considered tall in today world but normal or average back then. The Annunaki is jus folklore more or less. However I believe there's a perfectly explainable scientific reason for so called "giants" ad why we don't have none anymore. Millions of years ago, hell, even thousands of years ago the worlds oxygen supplies were much more concentrated then they are now. Literally everything was bigger. Trees, bushes, grass, animals, insects, and yes hominids were all much larger. Corse there's always the 1 percent chance folklore could be right.
Jackson, I have no reply for you. The cube-square law would've still held true. However higher oxygen means things were bigger. I personally think it's pretty difficult to confuse hominid bones with dinosaur bones.
No, the cube-square law can only represent the ratio of volume to surface area. If the surface area was much larger back then(hence more oxygen) then the volume would've been greater too. The rule still applies, except we just larger numbers, so to speak.
Uh. Barry? Think for 2 seconds. The additional volume means more mass. The extra WEIGHT makes it impossible for the skeletal structure (or muscle) to support it. The addition of the WEIGHT of more air in the lungs doesn’t help. Just the opposite.
And then there is the problem of stress on the heart. And of heat escaping the ‘blanket’ of extra meat and fat.
Organisms require homeostasis to survive. Bearing that in mind if there was extra weight due to more mass the skeletal structure would've been denser as well. More air in the lungs would've just meant the organs had higher capacity. However this is my theory, although other paleontologist share this same theory. In retro respect what you say makes perfect sense. Scientific laws can't be broken.
I gotta say you make sense barry. Even though your sort of drifting into pseudoscience some it may have very well been like that. But we can't prove it.
Actually my final grade in physical science was a 97. You are applying todays laws to yesterday's laws. Science is always changing, you can't simply apply what works today with a million years ago. Also, are you getting mad? There's no need to get rude.
You do realize you just spent a half dozen posts displaying your ignorance of physics, don't you? Claiming that the laws of physics have changed in 3000 years is pretty much the final nail in your coffin.
"You do realize you just spent a half dozen posts displaying your ignorance of physics, don't you?" Nope, not once did I say this or even inferred this. All I'm suggesting is the parameters of which these laws allow was different due to a drastically different environment with higher concentrations of certain elements.
OXO, in the case no they did not. However they have found remains of people that were much larger then we are today. They've examined these bones, which, were found to be more dense then ours. Case in point, my argument against buzzkills.
Big Daddy, where have you read that? Nearly every skeleton we've found of the Sumerians, provided a few exceptions, have been 6 foot or greater. These were tall people by today's standards.
Robert Wadlow reached nearly 9 feet tall. Andre Rasimov was commonly called Andres the Giant; a pro wrestler who reached over 7 feet tall. I saw a picture of an Asian man who must have been over 7 feet tall.
A giant will appear every once in a while due to hormonal abnormalities. This proves the Philistines could have had a giant warrior, and that's all it proves.
Anthropologists have narrowed the origins of Semites to the Skhul V Cave of Mount Carmel Israel. Here around the end of the ice age it is believed Sapiens as originated in South Africa evolved into Cro Magnon and hybridized with Neanderthal. These quite large craniums fused into a encephalized forehead and truncated occipital lobe. The browridge of most Semites appears to be absent on these skulls photos and may prove them through DNA to be of a purely sapiens population alien of course to Samson or Hagar.
Of course there are other theories besides interbreeding after the ice age upon migration which is more consistent with Darwin as inbreeding in isolated groups. But the birth defects of gender, gigantism and dwarfism have more to do with the absent male chromosome in the archaic genetics of modern humans.
Think you got a lot of stuff confused, Fort. Not that all of it is 100% genuwine facts not subject to tweaking and new theories based on new evidence. For one thing, the last ice age started and ended well after the demise of the last Neanderthal. Some interbreeding had already taken place in the West and in Asia but not in Africa (tho' there are a couple of tiny pockets even there).
Very interesting article. I am not familiar with the research that has been going on there in the Ashkelon cemetery. I wonder why it is ending now after 30 years. Do they feel they are finished or did their agreement/funding end? Just curious.
The problem is more ultra orthodox Jews. Once this is released these fools will start to protest all digging, they do not believe any remains should ever be dug up.
More and more archaeology is digging up part of a site & then leaving the remainder in the ground. Many of the earliest archaeologists destroyed sites digging for artifacts & not realizing how much information was being lost while they dug. Things like pollen grains among skeletons, which could provide information about the crops, or diet of the people. Now they leave part of sites undisturbed so that if new methods are discovered in the future, there will still be some of the site still in pristine condition.
Huh? How do you figure that? Harry Potter talks about the Salem Witch Trials. So if they dig up proof of that in New England, would that prove that magic is real? Just because the bible used some actual facts in no way validates all of it. Especially since there has been no proof whatsoever of any of the supernatural stuff. The miracles, the global flood, etc. We know there are places in the world that have never been underwater, especially as recent as when the global flood would have occurred. The reason the people who wrote the story of Noah's Ark thought there had been a global flood can easily be explained. First, I read that the black sea or another body of water near the middle east had flooded the area near it. And since people only knew of the small area around which they lived back then, to those people it seemed like a Global Flood. I'm not entirely sure about that. What I am sure about is that people found fossils of aquatic creatures up on mountains and didn't know why. The only way they could explain it in their minds was a global flood. But now we know about tectonic plates and how they shift. So what is now a mountain top with fossils of aquatic life was once the floor of the ocean.
The bible cannot be true. NASA proved that last century when they sent men into space. The bible says that penetrating the earth's atmosphere will actually allow you to enter heaven. That's why god couldn't let the people in Babel build the tower. So there literally is a 0% chance that the bible is accurate.
Sam - where does it say you can enter Heaven through the atmosphere? Also, God destroyed the tower of Babel because it showed the extreme pride of men's hearts, i.e. they thought they alone could figure out a way to get back to God, but in fact they can't. God has to reach out to us, which He did through Christ. Man can't make himself good enough or worthy enough to be in God's presence, so He bridged the gap for us. And btw, if you want to use science to try to disprove the Bible, you can (and should) also use it to prove. The Bible talks of a round earth about 1500 years before Magellan, it talks of the Earth circling the sun about 1000 years before Copernicus, it talks about blood being the source of life and death long before diseases were understood, etc etc. And so far archeology has confirmed 100% of Biblical names and places. Check it out...
I hate to imagine what the far future will think of us when they dig up a great many young skeletons with bullet markings indicating how they died. They will probably remark how glad they are that they did not have to live in such a violent kind of atmosphere.
All generations has had a very violent period there time. Before it was knives and swords then came gun powder thus guns, bombs and the sorts. Who knows next gen it might be guns and robots.
yeah because bullets are way worse then arrow tips, or a stroke from a club, or a gash from a sword, or......i mean grow up dude. this is the world we live in
