Old bones cast new light on Goliath's people

骨骼化石带来有关歌利亚巨人的新发现
Ashkelon (Israel) (AFP)

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MISTER

I come from the planet Pluto my name zarto my spaceship was attacked and destroyed while i was attempting to enter earths atmosphere by a urainian fighter squadron that was dispatched from Uranus however i was able to crash land in the indian ocean where i had to walk under water for 3 months before hitting land. The plutonians and urainians have been in a intergalactic war since earths formation. I have been living on this planet since 410 bc. i have some knowledge about the people in this article i have even been invited to the by babylonians to meet with their king over many centurys they have had good kings and bad Nebuchadanezzar was a ruthless one. Anyhow since arriving the grand Shepard of pluto authorized over the years 3 mother ships to pick me up but those urainian fighter squadrons blew the up.

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eugeneReply toMISTER

Rooooooollll another one, just like the other one. This one's just about burned to the end, so be a real friend.

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TopstitchReply toMISTER

Quite the imagination.

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Hazel

I'm waiting for the skeleton of a nine foot giant with a gash in it's skull to be found. Though I doubt that will happen. They say that as he fell the army scattered, so I'm sure that Israel was in charge of his corpse after David smoted him. He probably never got a special burial by either side. And God knows if they (Israel) even buried him or left him to rot in the sun. Then again maybe they dragged him to town and hung him in effigy. details, details, details. Nobody cared to write down the details back then. LOL

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JaredDReply toHazel

Really? You believe in fairytales too?

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jonReply toHazel

And a drunkard built a boat in 40 days and collected two of every animal on Earth!

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LanceReply toHazel

Goliath is probably immortal, living in Tel Aviv, working as an accountant under the name Mortimer. Look for a very tall, ugly fellow...

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HazelReply toHazel

Funny guys. I'm an Atheist, with a knowledge of the unbelievable.

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kalani fReply toHazel

some stories have some one else killing Goliath.

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2012Reply toHazel

Jon, Noah built the Ark in the span of 120 years not 40 days. That's how long it rained.

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LucilleReply toHazel

if I'm not mistaken, young David took a sword and cut off Goliath's head and brought it back ...

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HazelReply toHazel

Lucille, I think you may be right, though I think that was in a movie. Not sure about The Bibble.

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ROCKER

Philistines came from the sea, they could have left from Persia, Babylon, Egypt or elsewhere

Americans travel by land, Air and Sea, so just because they came from the sea does not prove they might be related to people from any middle east country

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MikeG

I do recall reading that the Philistines had originally emigrated from Crete. As the story points out, the modern descendants (Palestinians) no longer share this heritage. Interesting to read that there is a Mycenaean link. Can't wait for the DNA analysis.

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ungluckReply toMikeG

"Palestinians" are not descended from the Philistines. They're a hodgepodge of Arabs, mostly Egyptian, Syrian, and Saudi.

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TimothyReply toMikeG

The modern descendants? Hm, must have missed out the part where the Babylonians wiped them out. There are no Philistines alive today, and the so called Palestinians, they are Arabs that migrated from Arabia, they have nothing whatsoever to do with the Philistines, this is nothing but a lie.

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They'Re ComingReply toMikeG

The article mentions that the Palestinians and the Philistines are NOT the same people.

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TimothyReply toMikeG

Of course it does, but then the Arabs who claimed to have magically transformed into Palestinians can not say that, they have to have a story.

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MikeGReply toMikeG

@All. If you read my comments more closely, you'd see that the modern descendants no longer share this heritage with the Philistines. The story states that although they may share words or names, they have just taken these on, possibly after living close with the Philistines over the years. There is NO modern collection on a DNA level. Hope that clears it up. I AGREE with all above comments. Maybe I wasn't too clear with my own comment.

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MikeGReply toMikeG

"collection" should be "connection".

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TimothyReply toMikeG

The problem is going to be when they release these findings. Does not matter how they publish them, when they are if they are found to disprove the Arab Palestinian claim that they came from them, and there is zero historical evidence they did, then you are going to hear screams of condemnation that it is another Jewish conspiracy, even though by what I have found is they have multiple labs around the world doing the testing to avoid exactly this.

But then logic, education, seems not to come into these claims, no matter what the find, how good you spread out the findings, people are going to yell if the findings do not support their own narrative.

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SmoothJ

Statute of limitation on the r.i.p. thing must have run out for that guy.

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P.

This is fascinating. I can't wait for the DNA analysis. I would love to know for sure what region they came from and why there's so little known about them.

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BillReply toP.

Well everyone came from someplace. Even Abraham came from what is current day Iraq.

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They'Re ComingReply toP.

This is the first time I have heard that nobody knows about them. I thought they were ancestors to the Palestinians, but this is wrong. I didn't realize they were wiped out by the Babylonians. Fascinating!

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BillReply toP.

Yep them Babylonians were a vicious bunch.

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ROCKER

Philistines came from the sea, they could have left from Persia, Babylon, Egypt or elsewhere

Americans travel by land, Air and Sea, so just because they came from the sea does not prove they might be related to people from any middle east country

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PurposeForCause

Great article. Makes one wonder what will become of the profession of archeologists thousands of years from now. While today they dig up the past in search of clues in the bones of ancient peoples civilizations around the globe... What bones of their own civilizations will they leave buried for their future predecessors? Probably none to very little. As cremated ashes whether that of nuclear war or other means, will leave none.

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JennerReply toPurposeForCause

Teeth whitening popularity in western cultures and elsewhere may give future archaeologists a good chuckle about 21st century narcissism :) Can you imagine a such a cemetary, excavated to reveal brightly, whitely smiling skulls.

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Ed HarleyReply toPurposeForCause

Never fear, our trash covers both land and sea. Garbage will be our legacy.

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Vee TwinReply toPurposeForCause

Yes, Plastic!

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SamReply toPurposeForCause

When overpopulation makes disease spike, we will leave a thin line in the cliff face.

A minor mark compared to dinosaurs.

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StarmanReply toPurposeForCause

Plastic and styrofoam!

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catharinaReply toPurposeForCause

No more limestone will form after the ocean gets to acidic for coral & other creatures to form their calcium homes & shells.

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yahoo

Philistines lives matter moment never took hold, and Nebuchadnezzar Police killed them off one by one.

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Daniel

Not all Philistines were giants, but there was a race of giants called the Nephilim. Their bones will be found eventually. Over the years, archaeologist have found evidence of places and people of the bible that "experts" insisted didn't exist.

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GaryFReply toDaniel

Daniel--Just because archaeologists have found evidence of places and people described in the Bible, it doesn't prove that supernatural beings described in the Bible actually exist. The Iliad describes places that archaeologists have found (Mycanea, Troy, Sparta), but that doesn't prove that the supernatural beings (Zeus, Apollo) described in the Iliad actually exist. It was common to mix fact with fiction in writings from the Mediterranean Basin during the Biblical era.

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DanielReply toDaniel

@GaryF:

There are vast differences of detail, honesty and humility between the two books. The Iliad doesn't shine a candle. There is also history and prophecy that underpins the bible. I read the Iliad as a child. I also read the bible as a child. As an adult, I have studied the Holy Scriptures for over thirty three years. Have you even read the bible completely? You are entitled to believe what you wish. I know what I know.

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WayneReply toDaniel

there are tons of giant skeletons in the storage vaults of the Smithsonian and under the Vatican.

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forrest k.

??? where were they originally from or will man still deny that their is a GOD an that there was Giants which we call fallen angels , who minga, yes we are haters of evil led with the earthlings . that is why there was a flood that wiped out the evil DNA that was in most of the people at that time . ands now the Arabs want to kill all the Jewish people , just like Herod tried to kill the CHRIST Child , JESUS an satan is still trying to get rid of the Jewish people . but they will not be wiped - out , they are GODs chosen people , they and the land belong to GOD . Islam is not the friend of Israel or the Arabs or any people group , JESUS said it plainly your father is the devil , not Abraham or GOD . I think that says it all the nonbelievers of this world are fallowing the ways of the world and not the ways of GOD . yes we are haters of the evil in this world , but not the people that are fallowing the wrong spirit , JESUS said that they hated ME an they will hate you to and the truth of MY WORD .

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EvenStevenReply toforrest k.

Congratulations. You snuck a bad word past the the Yahoo word police,

Urban Dictionary: minga

In Sicilian, minga is a man's thingie between the legs.

What your thought was also snuck right by me.

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my2centsReply toforrest k.

Spoiler alert: forrest K is a moron

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Spocks Brain RulesReply toforrest k.

Dude, I have studied the bible extensively and what you are referring to is a belief held by some Jewish sects that the Giants mentioned in Genesis were descended from angles mating with humans. It should be noted that the Bible never calls them Angels. They are "sons of God". But yes, some Jews think that this refers to Angels since the idea of a human being called a child of God is quite alien to them. For Christians there is a big problem with that theory. Jesus says that those in heaven will be as the Angels and not be married or have spouses. I would warn you that when you get into theology of scripture, beliefs can go off into many strange directions. It is better to stick with literal scripture and not cherry pick and not accept as absolute a theory that contradicts another direct teaching of Christ. A "giant" may not have been anything like we imagine today or see in sci fi or in fairytales. The person might merely have been larger and stronger than average with great fighting skills. I have no doubt that there were people who existed who were considered giants by others but not Jack and the Bean Stalk Giants.

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Capt Buzzkill

re: "We know here in Ashkelon that these Philistines were completely destroyed by (Babylonian king) Nebuchadnezzar in December of 604 BC,"

Time and again in school, I learned of civilizations being wiped out by invaders. That was 50 years ago. Come to find out that more than not, civilizations slowly adopted to new ways or assimilated into "invading" cultures. Not to say that conquest didn't play a part some time, but the complete genocide of an entire country was very rare.

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EagleReply toCapt Buzzkill

Explain the "#$%$awi" tribe.

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Aten RReply toCapt Buzzkill

Native Americans

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Capt BuzzkillReply toCapt Buzzkill

Khwarazm

Your turn.

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EagleReply toCapt Buzzkill

Lillputians, troglodytes,crackers,..lol of course

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TimothyReply toCapt Buzzkill

Actually if you had bothered to listen more, and I taught this in school, have a doctorates in history, you would have found out that the ancient Romans, the Syrians and the Babylonians were known to either displace or wipe out nations or a people that resisted their rule. It was this iron fist and the promise of ruthless attacks sanctioned by the empires that kept their people in check.

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Capt BuzzkillReply toCapt Buzzkill

I have been reading Roman history probably before you were born, timmy. Outside of a few cities wiped out, you are talking rubbish.

And I think you mean "assyrian". Not "syrian". But nice try.

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TimothyReply toCapt Buzzkill

First, when dealing on this site not dealing with a college class. So yes, I referred to them as Syrian, although we both know that there is no connection between the modern day Syrians and the ancient Assyrians, today’s Syrians, just like the so called “Palestinians” or Arabs that migrated to the area from Arabia.

Now, no genocide, and it was not common? Actually you show by this statement that you have no clue what you are talking about. First the Romans, they went into Carthage twice, wiped out everyone in the city. Then they wiped out over 5 million Jews,

Amazing as quote Tacitus "Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant"

(They plunder, they slaughter, and they steal: this they falsely name Empire, and where they make a desert, they call it peace.)

Now the Assyrians, suggest you look into the writings by Richard Frye, Simo Parpola, and Rémi Brague, these are the best authority on this subject, seems they totally disagree with you. They openly supported that the Assyrians wiped out whole people when they refused to submit, the ancient kingdom city states of Israel was a perfect example, they have found through digs the remains of Syrian arrows, found documentation from Babylon and Syria concerning their siege and destruction of these people, how they killed the majority of them and expelled the rest.

Do you want me to get into the Babylonians next? Oh wait, you have studied this much longer then I, have to ask, what exactly is your degree in? I have a doctorate in history, have studied this for over 35 years, taught it for 25 years. Would be happy to discus this with you.

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Capt BuzzkillReply toCapt Buzzkill

You don't think anyone is buying that do you? You've been exposed. And have now trying to claim that I said "extermination of the odd city never happened" [which I did not]

You can continue to award yourself academic laurels and quoting unrelated random irrelevancies all you like. Move your goal posts without me.

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NancyReply toCapt Buzzkill

Goodness!

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D.dotReply toCapt Buzzkill

Boys!

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TimothyReply toCapt Buzzkill

I have been exposed? What a moron, you have no clue what you are talking about. You have done nothing you idiot.

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charlesReply toCapt Buzzkill

"I have a doctorate in history, have studied this for over 35 years, taught it for 25 years. Would be happy to discus this with you."

"I have been exposed? What a moron, you have no clue what you are talking about. You have done nothing you idiot."

Whatever credibility you had is worthless now. Someone with credibility doesn't need to talk trash to prove his credibility.

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rosita

annoying, no doubt. so what happened to our people when these f'ing settlers got to our continent? BIG TIME BUMMER that's for sure! they suffered a holocaust - we are reminded of that every turn of the school books... but the native people of our continent? oh yea, no need to talk about them... Better yet, the Israeli govmt assisted the local thugs in creating death squads to ensure the land was bare when they steal it from us... like those in the path of moses, our people have been constinuously murdered since 1492. go rob someone else, yes? always conditioning truth to conform with their objectives... aj'ho.

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Michael

Q: How do you embarrass an archeologist?

A: Give him a used tampon and ask him which period it came from.

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markReply toMichael

Hoyoh!

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barry

I don't get the big deal. Multiple ancient cultures have spoken of giants. Nephilim and Annunaki are the ones that are most spoken of. The Anunnaki which were supposedly aliens mated with humans to create "half-breeds" which are the Nephilim. The Sumerians which was the first human civilization were on average around 6'5-6'8. This is considered tall in today world but normal or average back then. The Annunaki is jus folklore more or less. However I believe there's a perfectly explainable scientific reason for so called "giants" ad why we don't have none anymore. Millions of years ago, hell, even thousands of years ago the worlds oxygen supplies were much more concentrated then they are now. Literally everything was bigger. Trees, bushes, grass, animals, insects, and yes hominids were all much larger. Corse there's always the 1 percent chance folklore could be right.

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jacksonReply tobarry

God's going to strike you down one day believing that science BS. Accept Jesus while there's still time!!!

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