The Indian/Chinese IQ puzzle

In China, Shanghai centered area ( or the Yangtze River Delta) people have the highest IQ.

In 2006, China Government had a IQ test for 6-year old children all over China. Children in Shanghai, Jiangsu Province and Zhejiang Province has a average IQ of >110. Average IQ of Shanghai and Zhejiang Children is around 115.

I believe Chinese(East Asians) are well evolved compared to other nations, as have been proved by many facts. But this does not mean all Chinese are smart.

Basically, In China, People who live in coastal provinces and Yangtze River basin provinces are smarter. However, those who live in remote Northwest are not that smart.

So I think Chinese are not as smart as Japanese or Koreans averagely. But people from Yangtze River Delta are believed to have the highest avarage IQ among East Asia. And the average IQ figure of adults from this region, I guess, is around 115-120.

Let me explain the year 2006 China Official IQ test for children in detail.

Here’s some raw data:

China children (around 6 year old) average: 103.5

Zhejiang province rural boys: 116.23
Zhejiang province average: 115.05
Beijing rural: 114.9
Hangzhou city: 114.7
Zhejiang province rural girls: 114.41
Zhejiang province girls average: 114.32
Wenzhou average: 114.195
Beijing average: 114.07
Zhejiang province city girls: 113.73
Zhejiang province city boys: 113.46
Beijing city average: 112.6
Hubei province city average: 111
Jiangsu province average: 109
Jilin province average: 107.04
Hubei province small cities and towns average: 106.4
Hubei province boys average: 105.44
Hubei province average: 105.3
Sichuan province average: 105.3
Hubei province girls average: 105.1
Guangdong province average: 103.4
Henan province average: 95.51
Hainan province average: 92.6

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According to the data above, I think 106 is a reasonable figure for Chinese adult IQ average.

indians rule

Well…
I am an Indian.
I have always looked up at the western and oriental societies with a lot of respect.I love many things western and oriental-oriental music for example.I am learning Japanese currently,because i like it.

I was hurt to see that my home country is being attacked like that by many outsiders.Some of the language used is terrible.

I was even more hurt to see that some Indians are doing the same racist remarks such as by trying to classify brahmins and southerners as superior to the rest.I am from a brahmin family myself(though,am not a very religious person),and I cannot accept this kind of racism.You don’t solve racism with more racism.

From my observations,environmental factors like family discipline,nutrition and education tend to play a VERY important role in shaping the child’s Intelligence.Smart children tend to have Active parents who are not necessarily themselves very smart.

I will make some points here very quickly:

AFRICA ARGUEMENT:We are all from africa and we are closer to each other genetically than are two nearby chimp communities.So why the fighting and belittling?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpBzti8U58s&feature=related

MIXED BREED ARGUEMENT:Well,technically,mixed breeds are more evolved than pure breeds.They tend to have more genetic variety and bad mutations often go away.So if Indians are mixed breeds,then they are at an adavantage here.

IM OLYMPIAD ARGUEMENT:Someone from china asked why India doesn’t do well in the IMO.The answer is we don’t take it seriously.China wasn’t topping from the start,were they?They only started doing that after the economic boom.Why is that an Indian is the world chess champion,but not china?

Also,IMO results is hardly the end of everything.The french results at IMO is worse than India’s ,but there are so many more Fields medal and Abel prize winners from france than are in China.

IQ ARGUEMENT:Firstly,IQ is not the end of everything.IQ doesn’t predict imagination and creativity.And intuition develops with practice.According to Einstein,imagination is the most important thing.Richard Feynman was one of the most intelligent people of last century and he had an IQ of 122.If you count the flynn effect,it’s even lesser.Good,but hardly great.Of course,higher IQ people are more likely to succeed ,just like a person with a fitter body is more likely to succeed in a a sport like tennis.But fitness alone cannot make you a winner or a master at the sport.Moreover,fitness of a healthy person can be improved.

Secondly,IQ is far from being genetically pre-determined and it can be changed even in adulthood.Just taking the Iq test repeatedly is gonna make you increase your score a bit.Learning basic logical and abstract mathematical reasoning can boost your IQ score.Many brain games like tetris can improve your Iq.So can plain working memory training and meditation.Even learning unrelated things like a new language or a new musical instrument can boost your IQ.It’s just like neurogenesis and brain-plasticity.Just a few years back it was thought that the brain cannot generate new neurons ,but it is now known that not only can a grown-up person generate new neurons,he can move that neuron to the essential area and he can rewire his connections.Today we also know that IQ can increase in adults.

BLACK GENES ARGUEMENT:Scientists are still divided over what are the genetic factors involved in intelligence and whether some races are fundamentally inferior in intelligence.We don’t even know what’s intelligence.What’s funny is that a group of people will still give a few statistical data as “proof” of iq being “mostly” genetic.

You cannot give a “percentage” of genetic factor in intelligence because genes and environment react in a complex way and different genes respond to different stimulus differently.Or can you say what percent of the area of the rectangle is contributed by length and what by breadth?

In fact,most of the studies suggest that racial difference in IQ is mainly due to environment.Hell,blacks may have a slight advantage over whites genetically.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~nisbett/racegen.pdf

http://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/GeneWatch/GeneWatchPage.aspx?pageId=200&archive=yes

Even identical twins have an average IQ difference of 6 points and some pairs have a difference of well over 20 points.

FINAL ARGUEMENT:Why are we so keen on selection and division,rather than construction and production.These racial studies of IQ are obviously done racists themselves.A more benefitting study will be to find out what kind of training can boost IQ and how can the available intelligence be used more efficiently.

I mean-saying that you are not worthy for a job,you are not worthy for breeding is not a solution.we don’t want to go back to hitler’s eugenics -do we?
We have to find proper training methods.And believe that we can improve ourselves.Studies show that positive thinking is better predictor of success than IQ.

Wow, the last few pages were a revealing read indeed - a bunch of supposedly high IQ people attacking and belittling each other for no other reason than they believe their ‘group’ to be superior based on nothing but some nebulous three digit number.

A question for all of you prodigies: What purpose does this type of ‘research’ serve except to inflame racial and nationalistic tension?

No wonder this type of stuff is kept out of the mainstream.

Indians are genetically programmed to be losers

Don’t ya just love it when envious ‘Turd world’ brown people (and yes, this includes Asians) go and troll on posts about how supposedly so ‘great’ they putatively are, especially between each other?

This is a White man’s site, get on your camel’s and your elephant’s and go to the landfills where your own kind hang out. We don’t need you here.

As a guy who has been to both India and China, all I can say is they are not in the same league. The typical Indian is stupid and dull (how can these idiots claim that they are the smartest? Honestly they are crazy.), they are surly always lying, always scheming. Their festivals are ridiculous and in my opinion it is a nation of weird retards. My girlfriend has told me she will leave me if I ever take her to dumps like India ever. India sucks, Indians are crap.

On average, Indian men are borderline gays and wimps. They are over emotional like women.

I’m sure a lot of people still remember watching the Indian cricket team’s captain Kapil Dev weep like a woman infront of foreign journalists during an interview with the BBC.

Then there’s the case of the near hysterical Indian men who claimed to have been manhandled by Brad Pitt’s bodyguard.

And ofcourse Bollywood movies portray the gayness of Indian men. Like dancing and singing aroung the tree. LOL!! All Bollywood actors are shown as being over emotional.  Where else do you see men being so emotional, except in India.

And ofcourse Bollywood movies portray the gayness of Indian men. Like dancing and singing aroung the tree. LOL!! All Bollywood actors are shown as being over emotional.  Where else do you see men being so emotional, except in India.
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They are also insanely jealous of the White man and the beautiful civilization that his race produced—that is why they kid themselves into think of themselves as ‘Aryans’—and the “East” Asians like to think of themselves (especially the Japanese) as honorary Aryans.

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Like the universal law of aesthetics. We want beauty. Superior beauty lies in the white race. It is the variety of color, the red hair, the blonde hair, the green eyes, the blue eyes. All the other races in the world have only one coloring, the same black hair, the dark brown eyes and skin. A bit drab in comparison, can’t we say?

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The darkies of the world are truly fascinated with the white race, and always have been. However, there is a certain envy that naturally, unavoidably develops. It seems Hitler had a point when he referred to “the hated white race.” (Mein Kampf, p.325.) But the sexual encounter of the dark with the white makes the white dark. And what most people—especially white people—forget is the fact that the white race is the minority in the world. It is, and has always been, vastly out-numbered by the dark races. Moreover, the pigmentations of the white race are all genetically recessive. The whiteness is first to fade.

Therefore, integration tends to mean elimination for the white race. That’s simply the way of the genetic world. That the white race became the most powerful, dominant, ruling race may be attributed to cultural values more than anything else. It was of course the white race that adopted the Judeo-Christian religion. The social constructs and psychological hierarchies in this tradition evolved a people more astute and agile in every way.

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Whatever ‘mental’ problems the white race developed as a result of being more powerful are only fairly recent evolutions. In his day the white man has created a throne like no other in history. If it is criminal at the foundation, the challenge is chiefly from envy—always the weakest charge. Besides, what’s the point of the dark man accusing the white man of not keeping his white morals, if the dark man himself does not believe in those morals? The charge of hypocrisy is moot, made in impotence. (The white man’s self-flagellation is the only hope of the darkies.)

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Disguised though it may be in moral and religious terms, political terms, or even genetic terms, the case is fairly obvious: “the hated white race” is such for its beauty and power.

~ David A. Yeagley, ‘Bad Eagle’ - American Indian Patriot and great-great-grandson of Comanche leader Bad Eagle

http://www.badeagle.com/2009/06/16/the-hated-white-race/

My grandfather was a colonel in the British army and was stationed in India during WW2.

He would often remark on how he had never come across a more un-manly, butt ugly and deceitful race than the stinky Indians.

Well Indians cry because Indians have a heart.

I mean I see many western people coming here and claiming that they are superior on the basis of the fact that they actually colonizeed us and enslaved africans?That’s the proof of intellectual superiority?Or is it the proof of your cruelity?Is the smartest peron in a class-room usually the biggest bully in the class?
Hell,I have even seen white people who said that the millions of innocent people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki actually “deserved it”.They take millions of life in the middle-east in the name of revenge,whereas actually they want to find oil.
That’s manliness?

Keep your manliness to yourself.
It is pretty well known that white people officially have the smallest penises.The very reason why people like Rushton engage in these kind of racist study is because he needs something(read IQ) to cover up the small size of his penis.I mean this Rushton guy is pretty funny with his penis obsession.Except-he is wrong by his own data.The east-asians have both larger brains and penises period.

It doesn’t take genius IQ to figure out that China can kick India’s ass in any area, anytime.

If Indians don’t know that, then they have an IQ thats lower that what the estimate suggests.

Mr.Johnjayray ,I feel that this blog requires moderation.

I believe the original aim of the article was to discuss environmental factors that can influence the Indian IQ.Wasn’t it?
But how are the coments of posters like slumdog india,indians are gayz,reggie,,etc. not off topic?All I see is some unexplained hatred towards our country of India.

@AB

Previous comments by Indian posters have included plentiful racist slurs directed at others.

How come no Indian objects when it’s their countrymen mocking and dispariging others, but whine and complain when they get a taste of their own medicine?

Hypocracy is a well known Indian trait.

@AB

Your own comment includes racist slurs. Don’t be such a two faced wanker.

And if you want to know which race has the smallest penis size on record, then read the article below and all will be made clear.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6161691.stm

The overwhelming majority of Westerners/white people are equal opportunity haters and lump both Indians/India and Chinese/China into the same cesspool of racist disdain, without any difference.

To be fair, China is still far away from achieving the same level of prosperity that the West and Japan have achieved. China is not yet a developed, first world country. But even at this stage, it is unfair to lump China with India. Any comparision b/w China and India is absolutely ridiculous, as there is no comparision b/w the two, apart from similar population size.

India is a third world slum by any stretch of the imagination. The reason why India is considered 3rd world is because there is no 4th world category, otherwise India would better fit into that category.

Today, China with a per capita income of $4,000 (and still growing), has the humility to admit that it is still a developing country with a lot of work ahead of it.

While the boastful Indians, with their abysmal per capita of $1,000 and high levels of absolute poverty, have already crowned themselves a leading world power.

Rather than their level of IQ, it’s the level of sanity of the Indians that should be up for debate.

I have noticed that in all India vs China blogs, the discussions tends to be one sided, i.e. majority of the commentors are Indian jingoists who post ceaseless diatribe against China and often pass racial slurs against Chinese people.

And ofcourse theres the non-stop self-praise and self-hype by Indians about how they are the smartest, richest and greatest in everything in the world and how great their ridiculous dark age culture and silly hocus pocus, cow, elephant, snake, monkey, rat and penis worshipping religion is.

It’s very unfortunate that majority of Chinese people have poor command over English and therefore rarely ever visit these blogs. Otherwise it would be interesting to see what they have to say in reply to the Indian’s diatribe.

@slumdog

TBH,I am aware that my comment was not completely free of racist elements.And as long as ALL the racist comments are moderated,I have no problems with mine being moderated as well.

The thing is though that it was only a response to half a dozen attacking comments preceding mine.I just made a point that being manly is not about being cold-hearted.If it was so,I would rather prefer to be a woman.And secondly,If India was not ruled for so long and was allowed to industrialize much earlier,then India would be a pretty advanced nation by now.If India’s IQ is low then that is also a direct result of that.But thanks to the flynn effect ,it is on the rise.

Taste of own medicine?What the hell are you talking about dude?NOT A SINGLE Indian racist comments(yes,there are some) have been without provocation,but there are TONS of anti-India comments that begs the question-why do these outsiders care so much about my India?My guess is either theyare trying to provoke a fight between India and China,or they have somehow met the wrong Indians to get a bad impression.

It’s true that their are some hate comments from Indians as well ,but there are so many more from outsiders and none of those Indian comments have been without provocation.
I mean just go through this page 3.What do you find?The Indians are either saying that they are themselves their worst enemy and that they need to wake up,or they are being racist to themselves and dividing into groups or they are arguing that IQ does not matter and there are evironmental factors.

In contrast ,how many outside-people are insulting India(the whole nation) and are provoking a fight between India and China?Like I said,my own comment is preceded by at least half a dozen hate comments.
So,I request the blog owner to moderate ALL racist commments,including my own previous comment.

How would you feel ,if you are told that you/your relatives are genetically less inteligent,less athletic,less hygienic,less manly,less good-looking,less everything?you and some other guys(don’t know if they are same guy with different names) are doing the same to Indians.Is it any surprise that some Indians are replying back?If you cannot take part in a contructive discussion,then please leave,u have no business here.

Oh and about penis size.(this will my last post regarding this topic,as it’s pointless)
you do know that normal size and the size of erection are different ?don’t you?And you do know that true erection is practically impossible to measure under artificial conditions,don’t you?I am not even going to touch upon the kamasutras,tantric massages and stuff like that but the size of penis alone does not determine sexual health.

here is a better one
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jonny5/penis-size-chart-by-ethnicity-aub
as you can clearly see.The Asians beat the caucasians in the 8.7+ category.So, clearly,true erection is better in asia.
And I mean didn’t that Rushton argue that smaller avg.  genitals=greater avg. intelligence?Even by that logic and your article,Indians got to be smarter.