The Indian/Chinese IQ puzzle
google: british empire.
UK empire: How did UK colonized all of india.
King of UK was Emperor of India
India independence movement. Was india Not independent in the first place.
How come Gandhi had to walk around in a diaper to acquire independece from tiny UK.
Answer: IQ of 81. Low 80s
I dont believe in IQ tests, my IQ test is 128, as I joined the High Iq Society with that score. But I don’t think thats got anything to do with intelligence. Thats because I like puzzles, chess and memory games. Im of Indian origin living in UK. I even read about high school exam results at some local school, where indians had top scores, then second was white, and then below that was bandladesh and pakistani.
Now I dont think the score had anything to do with race, but upbringing by the parents, as indians like their kids to do well at school and higher education. IQ really has nothing to do with it. Also remember in western Europe and America, there are MUCH better facilities, plus you dont have to pay for education like india, and also you have light at night so you can read your books, unlike india, as there are lot of power cuts. Im sure if India had a better infrastructure like Europe, easily achieve same results as Europe if not better. Remember in india a child might have to work to earn money and also in their spare time try to study! Its basically poverty, which can affect IQ scores, not genes!
Humans doesn’t need IQ scores to prosper, nor achivements in sports, Human need Happiness and hapiness and feeling of wellbeing is relative, Human just like other animals is designed to live and procreate. People in Burma are found more happy than United states because they are less selfish, hedonistic, greedy and mad about material things, no amount of technology can substitute for mental health.
Humans doesn’t need IQ scores to prosper, nor achivements in sports, Human need Happiness and hapiness and feeling of wellbeing is relative, Human just like other animals is designed to live and procreate.
>ZipperHead (no shit!)
What the fuck are you yammering about, ‘tard? “Humans” aren’t humans. White people are humans, you are not.
Hey zipperhead,
Check out dis shit,
From
http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/10/happiest_countries/index_01.htm?chan=rss_topSlideShows_ssi_5
“Feeling blue? Perhaps you live in the wrong country. A recent study from Britain’s University of Leicester examined a range of statistical data to devise a ranking of the world’s happiest nations. Heading up the list: Denmark, which rose to the top thanks to its wealth, natural beauty, small size, quality education, and good health care. At the bottom were Zimbabwe and Burundi. “
Here is da list.
1.Kongeriget Danmark (Kingdom of Denmark)
2.Swiss Confederation also Switzerland
3.Österreich (Austria)
4.Ísland (Iceland)
5.The Bahamas
6.Suomi (Finland)
7.Konungariket Sverige (Kingdom of Sweden)
8.Druk Yul (Kingdom of Bhutan )
9.Brunei
10.Canada
Most happy people are Rich White people, you get it, now cry.
This is America: one in 8 go hungryNovember 17, 2009 - 5:02PM
The US Agriculture Department has released bleak figures on the state of hunger in the United States, showing that more American families are having difficulty feeding their members.
The annual Household Food Security report, released on Monday, showed that in 2008, families in 17 million households - 14.6 per cent of US homes - had difficulty putting enough food on the table at some point during the year, an 11 per cent increase over 2007.
The figures “represent the highest level observed since nationally representative food security surveys were initiated in 1995,” the USDA said.
“The fundamental cause of food insecurity and hunger in the United States is poverty - marked by a lack of adequate resources to address basic needs such as food, shelter and health care,” the statement added.
President Barack Obama described the report - which came as some 60 heads of state and government were attending the World Summit on Food Security in Rome.
- as “unsettling”.
“This trend was already painfully clear in many communities across our nation, where food stamp applications are surging and food pantry shelves are emptying,” Obama said.
The president said he was especially troubled that there were more than 500,000 US families “in which a child experienced hunger multiple times over the course of the year.
“Our children’s ability to grow, learn, and meet their full potential - and therefore our future competitiveness as a nation - depends on regular access to healthy meals,” he said.
The first task to reverse the trend of rising hunger “is to restore job growth, which will help relieve the economic pressures that make it difficult for parents to put a square meal on the table each day,” Obama said.
The president also said his administration has increased help for low-income families seeking food assistance, especially those with children.
“How come Gandhi had to walk around in a diaper to acquire independece from tiny UK.”
And BTW President Obongo,
Gandhi had nothing to do with India’s independence. After fighting the Third Reich and the Imperial Japanese forces, Britain was too tired and uninterested in holding on to India.
FAIR USE QUOTE EXCERPTED FROM FORBES (emphasis supplied):
“When statistical adjustments are used to convert the backward digit span results to full-scale IQ scores, Indian Americans place at about 112 on a bell-shaped IQ distribution, with white Americans at 100. 112 is the 79th percentile of the white distribution. For more context, consider that Ashkenazi Jews are a famously intelligent ethnic group, and their mean IQ is somewhere around 110.”
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- The scoring was for a small sample of immigrant kids from India
- The children grew up in India, then came to the US, and were scored
...........they scored as well as the Ashkenazi Jews - the smartest group, IQ-wise.
In URBAN and EDUCATED India, scores like this are commonly possible.
In RURAL and ILLITERATE parts, scores like 80-90 are likely common.
In my school (a very elite one, though), scores of 120-136 were seen in IQ testing.
In another study of middle-class Muslim kids, a score of around 101 was seen, though lower scores for the “inbred” Muslims of around 90 have also been seen.
There are over 40,000 genetic pools in India, and therefore the scoring has wide variables.
My thoughts:
(1) For the vast majority of work - an IQ score of 90-95 is quite enough, due to the simple or repetitive nature of the work.
(2) Assuming that ~1% of India’s population represent the 112 mean IQ seen in American scoring, that would still be closer to 10-12 MILLION folk. They are the ones that would drive science, technology, economics, and industry.
(3) Using the Bell Curve deviation from the mean, perhaps close to 50-60 million may have an IQ of 100+, competing with the average white man. They may form the bulk of the “middle class”. shaping trends and economics.
All in all, decent in keeping a country advanced and developed to some degree. Obviously, the potential is heavily underused compared to the USA or Japan and to a degree even China due to the bulk being poor in scores, but you can’t write off a country with 10 MILLION + scoring as high as Ashkenazi Jews….the smartest group as an overall people.
First let me tell you guys something well just bickering over IQ doesn’t take you anywhere near the solution.Well India is a diverse nation a nation full of people of different ethnicities,religions,tribes here the one thing that Indians excel at is backstabbing,conspiracies and such stuff.India happened to remain a colony for a great many years owing to Indians who wanted it to be colonized for their own gains(material).Every successful man in this world has cronies,blokes who go around kissing their ass during the good days only to kick them out of competition when times change.Successful Indians have too many of them.Indians are obsessed with these that’s what makes India unique.Indians are their worst enemies,Indians stand in the way of India’s prosperity.Ever been to the Indian parliament?Dunno now but even sometime back half the MP’s were school dropouts.Imagine being ruled by illiterate people.Indian penal code allows cases pertaining to politicians/elite to go on and on for decades.And Indian masses oblige accordingly.Every five years there’s a poll and the very same people who’ve been around for years come back to power to lead India on to another half decade of increasing poverty,lawlessness,corruption.And while the elite profit the rest of the Indians look up to them congratulating them for having cheated them and those near the triumphant elite start planning their downfall.Basically when you put your mind to something and work with perfection and determination you succeed.I sucked at math bigtime but with some hard work and determination now I am an IIT graduate working abroad.All I say is that it’s not whites or East Asians or Chinese people who’ve off the charts IQ all I’d say is that there are too many people who can’t seem to use their brains to the very full potential.Those of them who can move ahead and are looked up to as high IQ guys but if you can use them you are gonna be no less.Different nationalities are good at different stuff and Indians are good at backstabbing smart ones move out of India to avoid the very same and subsequently prosper.And Aistulf no shit but only shit dicks like you are the very reason the world see’s such less progress in racial matters,shitheads like you are the reason Hitler was the Fuhrer sickos like you are guys who are responsible for such a lot of misery in this world.
As a white Westerner who is watching my society decay at the hands of Third World immigration, I am getting sick and tired of the ignorance on this topic.
I keep seeing whiny Indians above going on and on about how smart the Indians IN EUROPE AND AMERICA are. Meanwhile you ignore that these immigrants are a small portion of India’s global population. If Indians OVERALL were as smart as whites then we would be seeing results right now. India would be as advanced as Denmark.
Get out of our countries and go back to India. We did just fine without you before.
I am also getting sick of these emotional comments going into how “India was the greatest civilization the world had ever known”. If that is the case, then why isn’t it still great? By what criteria are you going by to say that India was a superior civilization at one time? And not only that, but who was it in India that was responsible for it? Yes, it took Europe a while to “surpass the world”, but we also had the disadvantage of living in a cold continent devoid of natural resources for the longest time.
Get a life, and stop coming up with these ridiculous excuses that “whites moved to the top not based on their intelligence but because they stole resources from the rest of the world”. Okay, if this is the case, then why was it so easy for us to steal them from you to begin with if you were the superior ones?
White people are NOT going to be putting up with this garbage much longer. You can brag about how most American and British engineers and doctors are Indian all you want, and then meanwhile we wonder why the West isn’t on top of the world like we used to be. I wonder if there is a correlation between the two. Where were all those smart Indians when we landed on the moon?
The Indian IQ conundrum.
India is extremely diverse as it has about more than 2000 different ethnic groups.
Southern Brahmin, 1% @ 120 IQ
Northern Brahmin, 4% @ 115 IQ
Southern Merchant, 3% @ 110 IQ
Northern Merchant, 12% @ 105 IQ
Southern Peasant, 8% @ 93 IQ
Northern Peasant, 32% @ 88 IQ
Muslim, 15% @ 75 iQ
Southern Dalit, 5% @ 75 IQ
Northern Dalit, 20% @ 75IQ
therefore,Average Indian IQ = 86.10
Some questions the readers might ask:
Why such huge disparities in the first place?
A:“CASTE SYSTEM”,caste system in India has existed for the last 3000 yrs,with the Brahmins being highest caste & Dalits being the lowest.The Brahmins and Merchants have traditionally dominated professions requiring cognitive abilities unlike the Dalits and peasants who were into menial tasks.
Why do Southern Brahmins have such high IQ?
A:1% of 1.1billion population will certainly have a high IQ average.
Why do South Indians have Higher IQ Average than North Indians?
A:Northern India historically has been invaded by various tribes such as Sycthians,Parthians,Huns etc and later by Muslims resulting in intermixing of ethnic groups.
If Brahmins indeed have such high IQ why is India still like that?
A:Most of the Brahmins are priests in Hindu temples.Most of the Indians with IQ over 90 migrate to the West.
Most of Indian politicians belong to “Northern Peasant” group i.e avg IQ 88.
Is this table accurate?
A:No,its based on some false assumptions like all Muslims were converts from backward castes.There is no mention of North-east Indians who are ethnically Tibeto-Burmese.The Sikhs are lumped with the Northern peasants group.But on the whole it is a good attempt to summarize Indian IQ.
Can IQ be considered as a parameter for the progress of a nation?
A:Yes & No.
No
because progress of nation also depends upon leadership,for example:
North Korean IQ:106
South Korean IQ:106
But South Korea in every field is ahead of North Korea.
Also before the economic liberalization of Chinese economy in 1970,China was an impoverished nation.
Yes
because a mere 8% Chinese ethnic group controls 80% of South east-Asian economy
example:Singapore,Malaysia,Taiwan,Hong Kong etc.
Is IQ differences mainly genetic?
A:No,Studies claim claim IQ differences at least 50% genetic.IQ depends on other parameters like health,environment etc.For example:Mercury and Lead decrease IQ by 14 points.
Children subjected to spanking or any form of physical or sexual abuse are more likely to have lower IQ.
So,what lies ahead for India?
A:As Indian economy continues to boom,the west gets tough with immigration laws,most of the Indian elites are staying back in India & the NRIs(Non-resident Indians) are returning.
India can be a success story like Malaysia where a 5% high IQ Chinese minority controls the economy of the comparatively lower IQ Malays.Also the Flynn for India is 7.6.
References:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality
http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2008/06/13/indias-average-iq-in-2100/
http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2008/05/19/indian-iq-part-1-diaspora-demographics/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Malaysia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Indian_history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_india
http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/node/7669
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Between-group_differences_in_IQ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ#Between-group_heritability
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_testing_environmental_variances
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_and_intelligence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Chinese
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-resident_Indian_and_Person_of_Indian_Origin
Interesting find. Stumbled upon this while searching for the current perceived racism in Australia Indians are having histrionics over. Anyways, it was all a very great read, I would like to add my 2 cents to the ongoing rubbish. First I really don’t care about IQ debates per se, as the people who scored lower will always feel it’s wrong so it’s never a win-win (for the present). But that I want to comment about my observations from all this bickering. And that is, isn’t it eerily similar to when talking about blacks and their IQ’s? Inevitably blacks will show up, first trying to discredit all the research out there, then turn ethnocentric and list their inventions, later start accusing people of racism/having preferences, and end it all by name calling and bashing others themselves. Hahaha. Sounds much like this board, only difference is this time the blacks are replaced with Indians. Of course Indians are still smarter than the negroids and have a greater history, but still skin color wise, there’s not much of a difference.
Which brings me to this. Dark skinned people are just as racist as light skinned people, just look at these debates. And they accuse us whites as being the most racist?? We’re now nothing compared to how Indians treat people in India. So I don’t care if they have IQ’s of 200, dark skinned browns should stay in their own countries and stop polluting ours. Believe me, we have too much muds already. I, for one, do not want to envision a world dominated by the browns. What a dirty, smelly world it will be. Ick. Take your genius IQ’s and stay in wonderful, *nice smelling* India.
Oh and one more thing, about your *high* verbal sklls. If that’s a measure to success, blacks and Hispanics should be ruling our world by now, they’re just so verbal and loud. Hah, that’ll be the day, sans them outbreeding us all. As for Indian verbal IQ, me thinks Indians talk more than they should. Certainly they rate their call centre skills a bit too highly. Because personally I find getting routed to an Indian call centre to be a little less annoying than to a Filipino one. Both think they speak English better than they do. Both sound like they’re reading from a script, get confused at the drop of complication, thereby going into a rut and needing to transfer you to someone else. And around we go. As I said the Indian is a slightly better than the Filipino but they’re both hard to understand. The first speaking with that annoying sing-song, the second sounding like a scared little ten yr. old. Oh and don’t Indians look down upon Filipinos too? But yet here they are, in the same boat with Indians, being sought out for their “verbal” skills.
Indian medical doctor with IQ score of 163( taken twice with almost same results). Much hype about the achievements of many nations are being posted. I think every nation has contributed as per their capacity to the world.
Discoveries, nobel laureates are all about making the world a better place.What has been discovered by our ancestors are indeed our pride but not our right to claim some cheap publicity. Instead of lashing out on the net, I guess it will be more rewarding to get down to work, make your own discoveries and secure a niche for yourselves on planet earth or anywhere in this universe. I personally studied in India and have high regards for her. However, it is true that she has room for lots of improvement.
I read most of the articles posted above.
I wonder how my brothers and sisters of different nations are fighting on small issue like IQ.
My sincere request to all of you to pay attention on the most likely dooms day.
In the film 2012 we saw how the contribution of different countries made the civilization safe.
It is the unity that makes our world safe not the diversity.
If we are quarreling with each other no doubt the world is going to collapse one day(before doom’s day).
Coming to the theory of IQ—-I just want to say that
“Every soul has an equal potential, You can do any thing and every thing”
“GOD lies in every soul”.
So if you have a higher IQ—> try to give more knowledge to the world
on the other hand
if you have a lower IQ….. let the higher IQ people think about it how to make the balance.
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