The Indian/Chinese IQ puzzle
“ Even the Mongoloid Indians in North East Indian states of AP, Mizoram, Sikkim, Meghalaya are not found to be more intelligent or successful than other indians, though they look very similar to Chinese.”
I might be off topic here but those Mongoloid Indians in so called AP ARE Chinese. Check this out:
http://www.gregoryclark.net/redif.html
Even Indians themselves, whether they are Bollywood Indians or Slum Dog Indians, routinely refer to the people in AP Chinese. OK, not quite, they use the derogatory term for Chinese. But you get my point.
chingla,
North East Asians are definitely far better looking and intelligent than the primitive caucasoid-australoid hybrids of South Asia and the primitive Mongoloid-Australoid hybrids of South East Asia.
Are you telling me that these monkeys are better looking 
than them?
Are you nuts?
This is how Chinese policewomen look like
/#q=chinese female police
This is how the Indian police monkeywomen look like
Chinese soldier 
Indian soldier
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Enough Said.
“Whites accumulated wealth not due to intelligence but by force invasion and genocide of humanity”
Haha this is so stupid, I wonder if it even deserves an answer.
Whites stopped slavery in the world. When Arabs and Africans were enslaving others, the Europeans forced them to stop slavery. Europeans accumulated wealth due to the industrial revolution and by the fact that Whites are responsible for about 96% of all modern inventions. Thanks to the industrial revolution White people could create wealth faster as compared to other primitive civilizations that used bullock carts and camels.
European and American inventions (antibiotics, open heart surgery, MRI scanners to name a tiny few) have saved the lives of millions of non-Whites. Ayurveda and Chinese medicine (and definitely not Sangoma) do not even close to modern western medicine.
The computer chingla the nutcase is typing on was invented by Whites. Maybe he should go back to wearing dhoti (a ridiculous attire used by a stupid people who had not figured out sewing yet), driving his bullock cart (no cars and tractors-invented by evil Whitey) from your stinky backward Indian village to your field where he would shit in the open (no lavatories or washbasins - invented by evil Whitey). When he would suffer from some water borne disease (very likely due to the lack of hygiene and dirty habits in Indian villages even today) or say malaria he would go to the nearby ‘baba’ (holy man) who would remove demons from his body or a local vaid who would give him a snake oil concoction which is probably more harmful than the original disease. As there was no rule of law, the local Raja or sultan would come down and beat him up for fun, rape his wife and daughter and steal his cattle. This is the kind of shit life that monkey Chingla should live. Hahaha
Even before the Brits, the Mughals (Mongols) who ruled India had a low opinion of the monkeys of the land.
The first Mughal emperor Babur wrote in his diary Tuzk Babri: Hindustan is a country which has few pleasures to recommend it…. Indians have no idea of the charms of friendly society, of frankly mixing together, or of familiar intercourse…. They have no horses, no good grapes, or musk melons, no good fruits, no ice or cold water, no good food or bread in their bazaars, no bath or colleges, no candles, no torches, not a candle stick.” The Mughals were superior to their Indian counterparts in war but also considered themselves so culturally.
They had taste for the fine things in life - for beautifully designed artifacts and the enjoyment and appreciation of cultural activities They introduced many changes to Indian society and culture, including:
Centralised government which brought together many smaller kingdoms
Delegated government with respect for human rights
Persian art and culture amlagamated with native Indian art and culture
Started new trade routes to Arab and Turk lands
Mughlai cuisine
Urdu and hindi languages were formed for common Muslims and Hindus respectively
Periods of great religious tolerance
A style of architecture
Landscape gardening
A system of education that took account of pupils’ needs and culture
India did not have these before.
Babur also writes
“Hindustan is a country of few charms. Its people have no good looks. Of social intercourse, paying and receiving visits there are none; genius and capacity none; of manners none. In handicrafts and such works there is no form or symmetry, method or quality. There are no good horses, no good dogs, no grapes, musk melons or first rate foods, no ice or cold water, no good bread or cooked food in the bazaars (marketplace), no hammams (baths), no colleges, no candles, torches or candlesticks. In place of candles they have a great dirty gang they call diwati (lamp-men), who in the left hand hold a smallish wooden tripod to one corner with a thing called diya (lamp) like the top of a candle stick is fixed, having a wick in it which is as thick as the thumb. in the right hand they hold a gourd through a narrow slit made in which oil is let trickle in a thin thread when the wick need it. Great indian kings keep a hundred or two of these lamp men. This is the hindustani substitute for lamp and candle sticks! If their rulers and nobles have work at night needing candles, these dirty smelly lamp-men bring these lamps, go close up and there stand.
There is no running water not even in their gardens and residences. These residences have no charm, ventilation, regularity or symmetry. The common people AND peasants of low standing go about naked.”
Haha what primitive dirty people
M.K. Gandhi writes about Indian villages
“Instead of having graceful hamlets dotting the land, we have dung-heaps. The approach to many villages is not a refreshing experience. Often one has to shut one’s eye and stuff one’s nose; such is the surrounding dirt and offending smell.
The one thing we must definitely learn from the west is the science of sanitation.”
Even after 100 years India is still a stinky shithole. Even the Mahatma failed in cleaning India. LOL.
Check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnWvTGX-eps
Weak pussy Indian soldiers looking like fools infront of the manly Chinese soldiers. The desi monkeys got owned. LOL.
Check this out too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX6rulgisqw
“ Even the Mongoloid Indians in North East Indian states of AP, Mizoram, Sikkim, Meghalaya are not found to be more intelligent or successful than other indians, though they look very similar to Chinese.”
OK I am off topic here again. But since Sikkim is mentioned here, some background information is needed. First the Sikkimese are Mongoloids. Ethnically and culturally they are Tibetan and lamanist Buddhists. Historically they have very close ties with Tibet and have nothing to do with the Hindu people. It was never a part of any Hindu kingdom or princely states. Today it is an Indian state. Why? Check this out:
“ Even the Mongoloid Indians in North East Indian states of AP, Mizoram, Sikkim, Meghalaya are not found to be more intelligent or successful than other indians, though they look very similar to Chinese.”
OK I am off topic here again. But since Sikkim is mentioned here, some background information is needed. First the Sikkimese are Mongoloids. Ethnically and culturally they are Tibetans and Lamanist Buddhists. Historically they have very close ties with Tibet and have nothing to do with the Hindu people. It was never a part of any Hindu kingdom or princely states. Even during the times of British India, Britain leave it alone and Sikkim remains an independent kingdom. Today it is an Indian state. Why? Check this out:
I’m curious whether the Harappan weren’t more closely related to Europeans than modern-day Indians.
They were probably a group of Indo-Uralics, and hence Aryan, like those who founded Sumer.
No book will tell you so - they’re convinced that it was proto-Dravidian. HA! Those primitives? Not on your life.
Haha,
Even the Indian Navy chief believes that India is not a match for China.
He has more brains and courage (to face the truth) which all other Indians lack.
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/india-has-no-intention-to-compete-with-china-navy-chief/98963-3.html
Yes right TripleGold, India complains about the British Raj but they ignore their own brutality and colonialism in Sikkim, North East India, Ladakh and Kashmir. Same with the Chinese who complain about Japanese rule but ignore their own brutality in Tibet and other places.
Hi Bharatiyonka lund chota,
I am glad you bring up this subject. Although we are off topic but allow me to disgress here. What had happened to the Tibetans were seldom properly explained. So let me clear up some misunderstandings.
When the Chinese Communist took over China, they immediately implemented a series of policies based on the Communist ideologies. For eg., confiscating lands from the landowners and redistributing them to the landless peasants. Nationalizing personal properties, banning private enterprises, starting farming communes…etc. But on top of that, the Chinese Communist also have a politcal theory that what is hampering the Chinese people to modernize is because the people are too ingrained in traditional culture. Hence in order to unshackle the people from the past, they suppress the traditional culture with a vengence. These include tearing down temples, banning traditional festivals, denouncing Confucius scholar, breaking anything of cultural value such as antiques, even at one time have a half-hearted attempt to abolish the Chinese written language and replaced it with an alphabetical system until it was deemed too impractical and gave up. But later on, what they did to the Han people (the dominant ethnic group) was also repeated to the Tibetan because Tibet was even more backward then the coastal provinces and hence also need ‘help’. Hence Tibetan youths that were radicalized by their Han counterparts were send back to Tibet to do the destruction. And so Tibetan monastaries were destroyed, Tibetan culture were suppressed…etc. This happens during the period of 1967 to 1977 in what the Chinese Communist called the Cultural Revolution.
What is so dishonest about the Dalai Lama is that he paint this as the Han Chinese ethnically oppressing the Tibetans. He even invented actrocities in an attempt to garner more sympathies from the international communites. For eg. he accept the Nobel Peace prize on behalf of the 1.2 millions Tibetans killed by the Han Chinese. The only thing is that this allegations has been thoughtfully investigated by Western Tibetan scholar and rejected as groundless. It is even disputed by Western Tibetan activist - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/opinion/22french.html?_r=1
My point is that however dumb and horrible the Chinese Communist have done to the Tibetans, in their defence it was never motivated by ethnic hatred. For the simple reason that Chinese culture does not have the concept of ethnic hatred or ethnic oppression. In fact on the contrary it was motivated by an urge to help your fellow citizens - http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/99feb/tibet.htm
I would like to point out that this Maoist insanities are long history now and are recognised as a disaster. Average Tibetans, just like other Chinese, have seen their standard of living dramatically increased. On the other hand, I noticed that Indian people like to point out the plight of the Tibetans and contrast with their ‘vibrant and diverse democracy’ in an attempt to show their supposed moral superiority over the Chinese. This is hugely mistakened. Hindu culture IS based on hate, which is manifested by the Caste system. India has good economic growth for the past six or seven years and at one time there are more billionares in India than in China. But despite this new found wealth, chonic proverty still stubbornly persist. I suspect the reason is because of the ingrained altitude of the Indian people towards their less unfortuate fellow citizens (if indeed they consider the lower caste their fellow citizens). This altitude can be summed up as at best indifference, at worst outright contempt. For why do you want to help out to people you despise?
The biggest mistake Britain did to India is not to colonize India but to create India. India is a bully both to its own people and to its neighbor. I have noticed that the Indian chattering class like to compare them with the Chinese. I can only say this: Until and unless the Indian people fundamentally change their disgusted culture, Indian can never measured up to the Chinese.
There’s nothing inherently hateful in a caste system if it’s done within bounds. A caste system shouldn’t be blurred into the extremes of wealth we have today.
If the Chinese truly wished to help their fellow man, they’d simply free Tibet and the other nonHan Chinese provinces, allowing each to form a nation-state.
“For the simple reason that Chinese culture does not have the concept of ethnic hatred or ethnic oppression. In fact on the contrary it was motivated by an urge to help your fellow citizens”
Sounds like the beginning of a liberalism. So, in 20 years we should expect reverse colonization and neutered Chinese males in the image of today’s neutered descendants of the British and American empires?
All roads shouldn’t lead to Rome… Such a shame to lose China to suicide like that.
In my way nether climatic condition nor ethnicity & nor an inborn talent defines IQ of a person. IQ increases by experiences ,work through in different situations & overcome of it, utilizing your mind power in every circumstances. 1 word of 1000 words, if u want to increase your IQ then use your brain. Whereas in contrast between INDIA & CHINA, much of the Indian population is illiterate& poverty may be the another factor so they don’t get the chance to show their ability, their skills to the outer world they are just confined & solitude in an boundary, where in China their HRD condition is much better then India. So that is what the reason is.
Dev writes:
if u want to increase your IQ then use your brain.
That’s only one factor to consider. Another is nutrition. The genetic design of the brain is a third factor. And there are likely other factors…
Three factors instead of one isn’t complicated. That one person enjoys photographic memory or can map out a 3d image in his brain or can hold more variables in his mind at once doesn’t make him more human than another… And those without such abilities can still seek out most of the same knowledge albeit slower.
Genius is one percent inspiration and 99 percent perspiration
- Thomas Alva Edison.
If you want to learn something or pursue some goal, work at it. Those geniuses you see making breakthroughs are workaholics!
I have been reading the comments of this forum with enthusiam i happen to be fiji indian who has an iq equivalent to the jews which has been posted in this forum despite the fact some arsehole from india wrote lower caste people who migrated or whose ancestors were taken as slaves to fiji and other countries have lower iq’s. I have found some of the comments here to be utterly disgusting and racist with no lack of actual knowledge of ones history and culture. Now i am going to give my own opinion on this whole issue which may offend some people.
The reason why white people from america and other countires who tend to be successful is cause they take risks and are not afraid to make mistakes and learn from them as well as confidence then apply it on practicial gorunds.
Wherease chinese and people from india have this ability to cram the whole text book and end up scoring in their 90’s.
For jews the reason why they are very successful is cause they come from a close knit community where their religion and culture revolves around work and striving for progress. When one of them ones to open a business the whole community donates money to them they tend to use both methods of europeans and asian. which is cramming and taking risks and learning from their mistakes.
As for fiji indians whoever wrote we are prosperous cause we’re of indian origin is a load of crap it takes hard work and dedication if you are fully aware of the history of my ancetors which i take more pride then ethnicity and culture put together.
Instead of making stupid assumptions that we’re smart and dumb because of that gene pool and this gets to show the low iq of you as an individual.
If i would have to nominate who the most improved race are i’d have to say my native fijian brothers and sisters. Who not that long ago were cannibals but yet it took them less than a century to be civilised and are becoming one of the most successful lot recently taking up high paying jobs which usually go to asians and europeans in general.
I see this whole iq debate hilarious i know people who have flunked at school but yet end up becoming successful in the future and there are those who tend to be smart academic wise but yet having mediocre jobs. Its a matter of influence and dedication from an individual which leads to being successful not race.
I forgot to mention arrogance doesnt lead an individual anywhere it is respect and love
I’m a U.S born and raised Indian, parents from Bangalore.
I have an IQ of 153.
Indians are the RICHEST ethnic group in the U.S.
38% of M.D.s in the U.S. are Indian. 38 PERCENT.
~1% of the U.S. population is Indian. That’s almost a forty-fold overrepresentation.
But sure, Indians are generally dumb, don’t even try to control for the external/environmental factors that could affect one’s IQ.
I stumbled across this site by looking for Terence Tao’s IQ score. He is such a genius (IQ above 220, youngest IMO winner, Fields Medal at the age of 31), yet so humble. Even in school, he was able to relate to other people and never believed himself to be better, but just different. ref: http://www.davidsongifted.org/db/Articles_id_10116.aspx
“Unlike most profoundly gifted children, he seems to have no difficulty in relating to people of lesser ability (Hollingworth, 1942). He has no conception of himself as “better” than others, merely different. To Terry everyone is of value, everyone has something to contribute.”
And here is this site full of people trying to demean each other, downplaying other country and races. Now, I realize how could a continent full of talented people like Newton, Mozart, Leonardo Da Vinci, go to the path of brutal colonization of other countries and eventually two world wars among themselves.
“EGO” is the worst vice of humans and whether our IQ is below 80 or above 200, if we have very high level of “EGO” (whether in the garb of race, nation, language or individual success), we will lead a very suffocating life and bring miseries upon ourselves.
The duty of people who are more powerful is to be more humble and more compassionate and not the otherwise. EGO brings a downfall sooner or later. Each country has its own merits and demerits. We all should try to help others without being pushy or egoistic.
On this site, I read many stupid comments. There is no point in responding to them. Let all of us focus on improving the lot of whole humanity by embracing everyone as part of our kith and kin. Like Bhagawad Gita says, the whole world is the manifestation of one Consciousness and one who sees the same Self/Consciousness in everyone and act with love and compassion towards everyone, is a man of steady wisdom. Let us let go of our vanities and become such men of steady wisdom and make this earth better place for our children.
Amen (Be it so)!
Peace to all.
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