The Indian/Chinese IQ puzzle

Here are some of my perceptions

1. Why Jews have the highest avg IQ?
Bible was basically Jew’s records. Both Christian and Muslin originated
from Jew’s religions. So Jews should be very smart from the
beginnng. Jews lost their home country for >2000 years but still
survive their Identity, which should be due to their much higer IQ
than people around them. Otherwise they should have been absorbed
and dispear. Think over the Hun overrun European before, they were
totally absorbed by European and dispear. Considering that Jew lived
in a very hostile Christian and Muslin enviornments, Jews with low
IQ should have been eliminated, which push the modern Jew’s avg IQ
even higher.

2. Indian generic subgroup Brahmin should have very high avg IQ
too, possibly par with or next only to Jew. Brahmin can maintain
their caste system for > 3000 years to nowaday. Also, the rest two
major religions in the world today, Hindu and Budhaism, were created by
Brahmin. So I think India Brahmin should have the same high IQ as
Jew. Nowaday, it is possibly a little bit lower than Jew considering
the hash envionment Jews has survived. This explains the extreme
successful for Jew & Indian (mainly from Brahmin) in USA, their
dominaant in Wall Street and the world richest man is Indian
Brahmin.
  Considering that all nowaday major religions are originated from
either Jew or Brahmin only, as well as they were both from Middle
East, I guess it is very possible that Jew & Brahmin were split from
some common group.

3. But why India has so low avg IQ?
Given that India upper caste have very high avg IQ, why India avg IQ
so low? Think over that Indian caste system can last >3000 years to
nowaday, there is very possible a huge IQ gap between India upper
caste and lower caste. The gap is so huge that lower caste have no
way to overcome it in >3000 years. If the IQ difference between
upper caste and lower caste were small, then caste system could have
been gone long time ago. => the avg IQ for Indian lower caste should
be very low, which bring down the avg IQ for India.
This also explains Indian economy phenomina. India is very
successful in IT, medice and services, all of which are mainly for
the upper castes.

4. Why the white and Indian have bigger IO variants than East Asian?
India case is easy to understand due to it caste system create a lot
generic distinct subgroups. For European (the whites), Athough the
generic lineage got blue and gone during last 200 years, there were
two generic seperate subgroups, the aristocrate and common populance.
There were very few inbreeding between them for > 1000 years. Given
that the avg IQ for the whites is 100, one of the generic subgroup
should have higher avg IQ and that explains the bigger variants for
the white. This higher avg IQ subgroup of the white, together with Jews,
explains why most of Noble Prize and most of modern inventions are
by the white.
Han Chinese do not have any generic subgroup among them. When first
Chinese empiror unified China at 221BC, China abondoned its original
aristocratic social structure. The Han dynast followed Chin dynast was
established by a poor peasant. Although marriage usually went
between families with similar wealth, there is no generic inbreeding
subgroup since the poor and the wealthy would go up and down. Japan and
Korea are pretty much same as China. => East Asian are much more
homogenious and there is no seperated generic subgroup and so although
East Asian have higher avg IQ, they have smaller variants. This
explains the economy phenomina of East Asian too. Although Japan is a
developed country and second largest economy, they have very few
inventions. The missing of a higher IQ generic subgroup hinder them
from as creative and inventive as European. But their high avg IQ
means that there have a massive smart people can mimick European
inventions quickly and make massive manufactures.This expalins that
East Asian Japan, Taiwen, Korea, HongKong, Signapore and NOw China
have been doing very well in manufactures but with few inventions
themselves. This also explains that there are not many Noble Prize
are from East Asian as European.

5. What this means for the world?
Jew and Indian Brahmin will possibly continue to be the dorminate sub-groups in USA,
paricular in finances.
The whites will still be very creative and inventive in
technologies.
East Asian will continue to dornimate in massive manufactures but
will also continue to be follower in creative & inventive.
USA will continue to be the only world leader & super-power since USA
is the only country to have all the smartest people to work here.

West media is guilty of hyping up the fallacy of Indian coming superpower status. Whole India is now right on this steroid and wholeheartedly believes that India is a tech superpower. The facts of matters are that Indians on average are very low IQ. International IQ study experts estimates that Indian’s average IQ is 81. The IQ stats well explains why 600-700 million Indians can not even write their own names and majorities of Indians live below sub-Sahara countries living standards. While Indian upper caste elite blogs here bragging wildly, most Indians do not have clean water to drink, have no electricity, and suffer from no sewage system. Hundreds of millions Indian urinate and defecate in the open.

Mr. Singh told the BBC that more than 65% of India’s population defecated in the open, along roadsides, railway tracks and fields, generating huge amounts of excrement every day @http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4742929.stm.  These include so-called middle class. Majorities of Indians actually can not afford toilet paper so that they have to use bare hand to wipe their as$. The sewage/sanitary system are so bad so that politician offer toilet for a parliament seat. http://www.indax.com/trculture.html  .

Because of the low average IQ, Indians are prone to believe all sort of phony stats as facts as long as they hype up Indian supremacy. People LOL when Indians brag that Indians make up 50% NASA scientists, 40% Microsoft and started 1/3 American high-tech startup. These bogus stats are internet hoax to make fun of Indian braggart nature. However, hundreds of millions of Indian believe these funny stats. It is understandable that average low IQ Indians are prone for these lies. However, it is stunning that even Indian parliament also believe these hoaxes. Indians government official also cite these bogus stats to declare Indian dominance in US, making Indian government a laughing stock of itself. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Indians_in_NASA_Govt_falls_for_net_hoax/articleshow/2856295.cms India.ns are opting to complain the stupidity of their government. They conveniently forget they elect them themselves.

Actually, the Southern Chinese (Hong Knong, Guangdong, Taiwan, Shanghai) have the highest IQ’s in the world and are genetically closer to SE Asians. Vietnam has an IQ of ~94-96 based on Tatu Vanhanen’s guesswork, but probably has an IQ closer to 99.5 (based on real studies). Negritos ARE closer to surrounding Asian populations per se, but that doesn’t mean SE Asia in particular. The Andamanese (pure negritos from the Andaman Islands) contributed to the Japanese gene pool. The Andamanese and the Japanese are among the few groups in the world that exhibit hablogroup D (Y-DNA).

https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/atlas.html?card=my029
http://www.eva.mpg.de/genetics/pdf/Oota.AJPA.2002.pdf

Hahaha. Vanity is my favourite vice.

Ahh, is it just me or somebody else too notice that the author of this article with his shoddy writings and third-class musings smell of an Indian slumdog- a forced convert? Then he really is a true epitome of this great finding by Lynn, Rushton et al.

Any way, it is nice to see Indians fighting. The most self-deprecating, self-mutilating lot in the world… Half of the guys bashing the Indians must be Indians themselves.

And the Funniest Man Award goes to Mammu for his excellent, unsuspecting comedy of the Dravid and his Brownies, which was actually targeted at a North Indian audience but the Tighty Whiteys appreciated it more. :D

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@Chinkooz
Why so serious?
Okay, you need to open you eyes to read that. No, no, just a li’l more. A bit more, please? More? More? Aah, let it be. Wait till we code Braille for the WWW. Till then, use text-to-speech.

La Griffe Du Lion, makes the case that the key component of IQ is
verbal IQ, not ravens matrices

In Singapore, the labor class Indian diaspora, outscores the chinese in english

La Griffe Du Lion, has an article wherein based on law bar exams, he claims that
chinese have a verbal IQ 8 points below white verbal IQ

In India, most of the population is bilingual, Hindi and the local language

The top 100 mil is tri-lingual
English, Hindi and the local language

This verbal IQ components is not measured in ravens matrices

I am a Chinese studying in US. I have to say, every ethnic group has a lot of smart people. The average IQ itself depends on the education, social structure, wealth and nutrition. Jews are said to have the highest average IQ; however, if you throw a jew kid into forest and isolate him from the other people, I am quite sure 10 years later his IQ test score will be pretty low. Someone said the jews had higher IQ because they survived in Europe. Maybe he forgot those jews in China, who have been completely absorbed into Han Chinese. Does this mean Han Chinese is even smarter? No, this is just because Chinese are much more than those Jews and Jews in Europe are very similar to native whites. Jews in Europe and US are no longer pure Jews, and their major components in their blood are from whites, mongolian or both. Pure Jews share the genes with those people in Arab. You can also look at the average IQ of Isreal, which is even lower than US. If Jews are so smart, why were they so quiet in science and inventions untill recent centries? There are several Chinese Nobel prize winner who received the eduation in US. They are supposed to be similar if not less smart than those Chinese in China, since they are just the descendents of normal chinese farmers. Considering the population in US (only 30% of that of Jews), their achievements are not bad. Why didn’t 1.3 billion chinese produce any Nobel prize winner? It’s a matter of education and wealth (everyone knows that without money no research can be made). When China becomes rich (as it was before being conqued by Manchu), I am sure China will produce many inventions and techniques as it did in the past. My point is that , IQ depends on the other factors much more than genes, and the current achievements can not be used to judge IQ.

“Jews are said to have the highest average IQ;”

Ashkenazi Jews have the highest average. This appears to be due to selection for high IQ over recent centuries.

G. Cochran, J. Hardy, H. Harpending, Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence, Journal of Biosocial Science 38 (5), pp. 659–693 (2006).
http://homepage.mac.com/harpend/.Public/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf

Professor Steve Hsu has some links on the hereditability of intelligence (like most behavioural traits it has a significant hereditary component).

http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2009/01/psychometrics-links.html

By putting each others races down what have you guys achieved? There are people of all races getting ahead. Just because Indians are lablelled as retards does not stop them from becoming doctors, lawyers, engineers, entrepreneurs….. Its all about circumstances and opportunities. I come from a wealthy Indian business community. My IQ is probably below average. I was given the opportunity to study at Uni and came out with two business degrees and in the top 5 perecnt. I am sure if someone in a rural village was given the same opportunities as me, would come out as doctors and scientists. Who knows! This is all just pointless. I do have a charmed life because of my parents. I get to travel the world but does that make me more intelligent than someone poor. No!!!!

I can see hell lot of jealousy against Indians on this blog, Indians are the intelligent, articulate and enterprising, even a person who has not been to school has better surviving skills than Whites and Chinese.  TO jeff, the most Indians in the US are Dravadian South Indians and they are as inteligent as other Indians in their abilities. Infact South India is far more developed and has higher literacy than North India, and they are fast approaching the socio-economic parameters of the developed world. The silicon valley of India is Bangalore a major outsourcing hub of billion dollar IT majors, Chennai, Hyderabad are also the most technologically advanced cities in South India.

Therefore your assumptions that only higher caste Brahmin Indians are having exceptional intelligence is farce and has no substance. The South Indian Dravadian Indians who are majority in the US are found to be as successful as Brahmins though they are having darker complexion. Even the Mongoloid Indians in North East Indian states of AP, Mizoram, Sikkim, Meghalaya are not found to be more intelligent or successful than other indians, though they look very similar to Chinese. Infact south India is more developed than many other Indian States who have people with lighter skin like UP and Rajasthan. 

Skin colour or gentic makeup cannot guarantee higher IQ and wealth, if that is the case why the western countries have to import millions of immigrants as skilled professionals, whom they fear, despise and resent. Why millions of whites on social welfare and dole in the US, UK, Canada, NZ and Australia. Indian Americans are the richest ethnic group having higher average incomes than whites and they come from all backgrounds, many of them are from lower caste backgrounds, from India, Fiji, Uganda, Trinidad and Tobago, South Africa, Singapore, Malaysia, mauritious to name a few.

How can Chinese be more intelligent than Indians, just take the example of this blog, most of the intelligent and truthful comments are made by Indians. Chinese are parochial and too narrowminded to think above their own culture they have poor grasp of English and, Indian are global, they have better grasp of English, more articulate, flamboyant and flexible than East Asians. One more thing most people who make it to the top of corporate structure are having much higher Emotional quotient than Intelligence, EQ is more important than IQ becuase if you don’t know how to control your feelings and behave in particular environment, you sure going to loose.

http://www.vdare.com/rushton/070926_indians.htm

The above link will demonstrate that, like so many Indians, Ram cannot be trusted and this is also the view of the rural Malays whose saying as regards the voluble, dusky, head-wagglers goes - “If you are walking through the ‘ulu’ (jungle) and you spy, simultaneously, a cobra and a Keling (Tamil), which one do you kill first”?

Guess the correct answer.

What is emotional intelligence, how can it be measured and then put to use? Socio-biologists fret over these questions because what we call emotional intelligence are such amorphous traits as character, “people skills,” civility that can not be quantitated like we measure intelligence (though that’s also debatable). Regardless of the debate, however, one thing is surely established that these characteristics do improve our behaviour on the streets and in the communal settings; they also help us achieve our life goals—job performance, success of our marriage and our socio-economic status.

Scientists would love to measure our emotional intelligence and give us marks on EQ—emotional quotient. And then tell us how to improve it to improve our lives. If measuring EQ is difficult, we find that applying it to good use is even more difficult. It is because the relationship of EQ to success is not straightforward. And we need to understand something about human emotions before we embark on the road to apply this new science to our daily lives.

Emotions are typical human traits. As humans evolved they needed a lot of emotions to survive: fear driving blood into the large muscles, making it easier to run; surprise triggering eyebrows to rise to widen eyes to gather more information; disgust wrinkling up the face and closing the nostrils to keep out foul smells; maternal love to help offspring survive and a lot more that we are still learning about. The cortex and neocortex of the brain that creates emotions have developed remarkably well to give Homo Sapiens an excellent surviving chance. (Reptiles like snakes without the neocortex eat their off-springs). These emotions, hundreds of them, have given us an uncanny ability to associate our observations with survival threats making us a resilient species. Cockroaches have survived dinosaurs not because of their higher IQs but because of their extremely sensitive tentacles; they can feel the threat well before we raise our foot to stamp them. Those of us who can sense how other people will react to our behaviour do well in life; those who do not, end up jumbled at the bottom of life’s totem pole—intelligence or no intelligence. Such is the close and clear relationship between our emotions and our survival.

The connection between the reasoning brain and the emotional brain is what makes the difference in how we respond to various situations of life. And it’s all summed up in what we call self-awareness—awareness about our own emotions. Most of us remain unaware of our everyday emotions, anger, anxiety, worry, sadness, discouragement, etc. and display them without regard to their impact on ourselves and on those around us. But those with high EQs have the knack of displaying them properly. Getting angry is easy but as Aristotle said, it is getting angry with the right person, at the right time, for the right purpose, and in the right way—that is not easy. Anger, an emotion that primes us to action, is the hardest to control and the common advise to let it out now seems to be outdated for repeated anger accentuates its power, the new science tells us now. Anxiety serves a similar useful purpose as anger. Worrying blocks our thinking and precipitates the dreaded failure. Sadness and discouragement are “low arousal” states and more difficult to come out of than anger or anxiety that respond better to relaxation. But why do some people snap out of these emotional states more readily than others? Perhaps a hardwiring of our brain that gives us a better self-awareness of our emotions.

Similarly, people who have better “people skills” like empathy, graciousness and the ability to read social situations, fare much better in life. Empathy is an innate quality shaped by experience. (Even infants of three months old show empathy towards younger infants crying.) In the corporate world we know that it is the IQ that gets you hired but it the EQ that gets you promoted. People who rise the corporate ladder aren’t necessarily the brightest but certainly they are good charmers—people like them, feel confident with them and best of all trust them. The classical fatal flaws in corporate careers include some of the worst emotional traits: poor working relationships, being authoritarian, or too ambitious, and having conflict with upper management. People who succeed always pay attention to what others think of them and consequently they always weigh their actions putting other people’s opinion ahead of theirs as to what they would think of this action. My mother’s frequent recitation, ” zabane khalq ko naqqarae khuda samjho,” seems to have a scientific validity now.

EQ attributes are acquired skill-sets and are thus not directly comparable with IQ which has a preponderantly genetic component.

These diaspora Indians do so like to talk-up the cognitive ability of their group. They must assume that we’re unacquainted with the India that they left behind, and the people who inhabit it.

Enya…

There are people of all races getting ahead. Just because Indians are lablelled as retards does not stop them from becoming doctors, lawyers, engineers, entrepreneurs.

Thats great, why do they need to do that in our territories? In fact why do they succeed in our territory, why must we acquiesce to that?

I was given the opportunity to study at Uni and came out with two business degrees and in the top 5 perecnt. I am sure if someone in a rural village was given the same opportunities as me, would come out as doctors and scientists.

Just what we need, a world full of Indian doctors, scientists, and lawyers from the land of the goatfuckers.

That’s why normal Pakistanis in the U.K. do poorly, but the Indians still do very well.  For example, they score second highest on GSCE exams (after the Chinese).  This supports the estimate mentioned above.

That is because the tests are culturally biased and skew the results to favor Indians over Pakis.

Indians are, on average, so unintelligent that all Bollywood films are required to include interminably boring song-and-dance-round-the-Banyan-tree routines (which, in a Euro milieu would be considered fodder for gays) in order that the government meets its objective of demonstrating to the decidedly dim double-digiters that cinema is not, in fact, reality.

To EastAsian,

When you mentioned Chinese Nobel Prize winner, you forgot to include Dalai Lama.  He won the Nobel peace prize in 1989.

Also the average Indian IQ of 81 can be correlated to the data of another indicator.  Google IMO (International Mathematic Olympiac) and you can see the ranking of India is in line with the average IQ of 81.

India did fairly well in Mathematics Olympiad than many European countries, that means Indians have much higher IQ than Whites, out of 90 countries who participated India stood betweeen Rank 7 to rank 14, from 1995 to 2004, which actually proves that Indians have higher IQ not low.