The Indian/Chinese IQ puzzle

Kostas Agnelli “for the Indian bloggers on this website, restrict yourselves to solving mathematical problems, designing computer softwares and on answering phone calls”

Of course Americans are too busy with attacking other nations for oil.

Lets see for how long that oil is going to last. aaha do I need to mention about the state of US Economy is in?

kid-1 wrote
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the only thing that chinese failed is the english language, chinese english is not as good as the indian in our college, partly bacause chinese kids have been learning it for 2 or 3 years, while the indian are born here
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In Singapore, where the Chinese have 108IQ ( highest among chinese ) and the chinese have been in singapore for 100 years just like the low caste Indian diaspora in Singapore
The low caste singapore Indian diaspora beats the chinese in English

La Griffe Du Lion has an article where he shows that verbal IQ of east asians is 4 less than whites,
whereas upper caste Indians are trilingual and most of the wall street Analyst jobs have gone to India
Most white collar jobs from call centers to software to general purpose white collar has started to migrate to India

Google up Offshoring and India

http://www.indianpediatrics.net/july1999/july-669-676.htm

Low birth weight vs IQ study in Pune

Social and Environmental Assessment

Thirty per cent of the mothers had some degree of college education, whereas one per cent of the mothers were illiterate. Five per cent of the children lived in independent bungalows and the rest in lower and middle class localities. Most of the children (91 %) came from middle or lower middle class families (SES II or III). Fifty six per cent of the children lived in overcrowded houses.

A multiple linear regression analysis was done using IQ as the outcome variable and infant and socio-environmental information as predictor variable. The predictor. variables included socio-economic status, locality, spaciousness of the house, mother’s education, etc., mental and motor age on}3ayley Scales at one year (available from the previous phase of the study), and chronic medical problems like seizures and asthma.

The regression analysis showed that mother’s education (? coefficient 0.33373, p <0.001), spaciousness of the house (? coefficient 0.19424, p <0.020), and a mental age at one year (? coefficient 0.22959, p <0.009) had a significant impact on the 6 year IQ. Chronic medical problems had a negative impact on the 6 year IQ (? coefficient - 0.3573, P <0:020). Multiple R of the final module was 0.4354.

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IQ = 50-69
Control Group = 0%
Low Birth Weight = 3.5%

IQ = 70-84
Control Group = 5.6%
Low Birth Weight = 13.4%

IQ = 85-110
Control Group = 77.5%
Low Birth Weight = 70.1%

IQ = Above 110
Control Group = 16.9%
Low Birth Weight = 10%

Mean IQ
Control Group = 101
Low Birth Weight = 94

Costas “Is the new Chinese government propaganda website?”

Indians all over the world are lack of confidence…

This IQ stuff is written by the white. Are you telling us the Chinese has commanded European Counries? LOL!

The same old biased studies and arguments is being rehashed again with some new looks. As others have said in their comments, Richard Lynn has manipulated his data by testing malnourished Indians in remote areas and comparing them to Beijing urbanites to achieve the results he wants, which is not surprising seeing that he is well connected with the Pioneer Fund just as Rushton.
I notice Nick Nguyen post on February 18, 2008 above and I wonder he is the same NickN who got his handed to him at:-
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/blog/globespotting/archives/2007/03/the_trouble_wit.html

him bhai .. are you indian or aryan??  dont bring up aryan theory for real desis .. we should avoid the white supremacy aryan theory. they are the ones who destroyed our ancient civilization..(harappan /indus) aryans were nomadic worriers .. they were like the mongols of the medieval era… u know the mongols re-painted even the ancient iranian chronicle with east asian faces(they are lucky because it happned in the recent years..and could correct well in time).. the same happned to india long long time ago and we never know what was the reality ... the aryans worshped natural forces..and brought in some mythology but there is no proof that hindu culture was something invented by them.  besides no one will accept you as aryan(except for few afghan looking minority) .. why to be a follower .. we are indians ..  today indians are catching up ... and we dont trust the white IQ theories ..these are all memdia stunts !!

We brown people are the most peaceful race on this earth!! everyone talk shit about darker people .. just becasue brown people never committed any attrocities to the humanity in the entire history of human civilization. we built civilizations ..indus harappa ... some barbarians (white scholars say they were aryans) destroyed our civilization .. the engineering skills we had .. they committed crime and dispersed our brown people southward .. these criminals started divisive society ..... they re-wrote our history .. well i think the fact is they absorbed most of our civilized culture ... the way mongols became iranians /pakistains /indians ..  if mongols would have been super power today .. they would have theorised totatlly different view of the world… atleast i appreciate genghis khan ..who believed in meritocracy .. blacks /browns /whites ..anyone could rise to high rank.. here we see a lot of crap theories of the brahamins/upper caste ... lets get the shit straight dude .. the whole world knows that most of the engineers/doctors/scientists from india are the original brown people. it’s the concrete proof that brown people in india are IQ lifters!! most people from the north are more related to barbarians.. certainly they have limited IQ ... so here is the actual scale of indian IQ distribution.

Brown/Dravid - 110-120 (indus/harappa..currently the most advanced society engineering/science/ in india)
Nothern india Hindu Barbarians - 90 ( they improved after interaction with the peaceful brown people)
Northern india Muslim barbarians - 80 (they are relatively new barbarians )
White skin entertainment/bollywood barbarians - 60( they are mostly descendants of the Mujra(mughal brothel) artists)

most of the white shit suckers from north ...are all barbarians .. white people why dont you take them with you .. they’ll be really happy to serve u.. but let me worn you they still have barbarian instinct!!!

“We [Subcontinental] brown people are the most peaceful race on this earth!! everyone talk shit about darker people .. just because brown people never committed any attrocities to the humanity in the entire history of human civilization. [...]  Northern india Hindu Barbarians [...] improved after interaction with the peaceful brown people”  (—Mammu)

Mammu, what color are the Tamil Tigers?

[Oh ... those links just above?  Just ignore them, they weren’t supposed to be in there.  How’d they get in there??  Don’t click on those, ignore them, OK, they’re not important, don’t read them.]

Right, now ... where were we? ...

... Oh yes, now I remember, I was asking what color, or what shade, dark or light, the Tamil Tigers were ... Any idea? .... If you need to look it up it’s OK, I’ll wait .....was just curious, go ahead .....

mammu: Since you Dravidian types are so cognitively elite, I’m sure you all will have no problem with building up your own economy without dependence on outsourcing from barbarian whitey or immigration to our lands, right?

I think I’ll let the social situation and demographic character of it in India speak for itself.

Fred you must be a disguise of a north barbarian or a white supremacist who tried to prove all the cool things that happned on te earth were initiated by whites!! hitler formed a team of scholars to research in greece to cliam they were actully from german… the fact is original elite smart greeks had already become turks!! .. so you tell me what is the need for you to prove the barbarians to be smart people.. in that case you should also prove the turks are the smartest people..  i feel pity to see the double standard of the white scholars… i tell you majority of the turks are greek population ... u better accept them as whites.  now regarding color ... u must have the sense of average .. i dont project tamil but average indian ....  observe bengal/maharstra/MP/...... majority are brown .  99% of the talented indians are dark.. 99% parasitic indians are fair skinned. facts can not be changed!!

Darren bhai you tell me .. why north states are still so backward inspite of being really a huge society!! it’s because the there is still pchychological grip of the barbarians !!  bro if you are a true indian and u have slightest of brown pigments on ur skin ..look at it and try to understand why u hate so much to have those pigments!! u probably must be trying to get a fair girl to get rid of that… this is not your fault but history ... lets make a simple analogy here ,  take the khan title .. u’ll probably think most khans are aryan origin .. now you find out the origin of khan title !!! u’ll be surprised to see it was introduced by the mongol overloards!! now why should they keep this title if they didnt feel cool about it!!  this is a simple example of pschychological grip imprinted by a powerful but barbarian regime.  the same pchyche is imprinted deeply among our north bros .. this is a major obstacle we indians should try to overcome .. otherwise vast majority of our talents will remain hidden behind the pschycological grip of the barbarians .. 

btw i speak not for dravidians or aryans but on behalf of avegare indian…. i dont believe in the origin theory but a mixing theory… so there is no pint trying to find who are ur roots .. only weak society try to affilate themselves to some powerful group.  we are all mixed .. the whole world is mixed .. there is nothing called completely pure race ... how could white looking ainus be tribalized in northern japan.. the chromegnon men of the america..east asian migration to america.. the migration of the asian huns to europe ..hungary/spain/and other gaul areas.. the arab empire in middle east..migration of the vikings..  there are endless historical facts to prove that everyone is mixed. so be proud to be a mixed race and stand on urself instead of affilating to some obsucure white root theory.

Mammu, we know that brown people can be smart and pale people can be barbarians.  We just don’t want to get changed into brown people by the present unregulated immigration policies and the array of laws that go with them, laws whose effect is government-enforced artificial elevation of browns over whites in whites’ own countries.  We don’t like that.  We’re not trying to put browns down but if we get angry enough we won’t care what we say and it’ll seem as if we are.

Now, that seems simple enough to understand but right at about this stage in the conversation, the stage where someone on our side says what I just did, namely we don’t have anything against other races, we just don’t want to get changed into them, the member of the other race we’re talking to begins questioning the legitimacy of that next, namely our preferring to remain our own race, unmixed.  If you’re now going to start doing that, Mammu, you’ll persuade no one here, so save your breath.

Mammu, I really don’t care and nobody else does either. What is your point? You have failed to support your arguments. I really don’t care about who is the “superior” race (ultimately, such questions are a pointless waste of time, regardless of who wins and to what standard they proclaim), but you seem to be obsessed over convincing us that brown people are superior without any data beyond your insistence. I’m a “universal nationalist” and wish you and your people well in establishing an ethnostate. The sniping we do at each other, from both sides, doesn’t accomplish anything.

Regarding your argument that we’re all mixed: I don’t proclaim that all Europids are “pure”. I only believe that there are obvious differences between the races (whatever their current genetic state may be) and as such, we have the duty and obligation to future generations to preserve our ethnic genetic interests by avoiding any future race mixing. I don’t believe that (most) Europeans are mixed to any significant degree, but its pointless to get into a debate about what happened in the past. We only have the future to work for. You are spending plenty of time trying to convince us that we’re all part of a barbaric race, so that would seem to imply that you support racial separatism.

“You are spending plenty of time trying to convince us that we’re all part of a barbaric race, so that would seem to imply that you support racial separatism.”  (—Darren)

Darren makes a good point, which often gets made, in one form or another, by people on our side — if we’re barbaric, Mammu, you should agree with our keeping apart:  a person doesn’t normally wish to mix with barbarians.

This point gets made with respect to the perpetual white-Negro problems here in the States:  if whites are so bad, so mean, so unjust, such thieves, rapists, lynchers, so dumb, so much worse-looking physically, and all the rest of it, Negroes should like nothing better than to be separate from whites and finally at long last free to flourish to the full extent of their potential.  Whites would be very happy with that too, so what’s the problem?  Who is it who’s forcing us together when we are unhappy together?  (I’ll bite my tongue rather than divulge the answer.)

Fred , Darren ..i didnt mean to target white ... i never talked about the real whites ... i have been been talking about these bogus whites .. who are irresponsible to the extend that they hate to accept what they actually are. i’m brown ..u can say light in the indian perspective… i know u people like purity .. what about we people who are already mixed .. i’m trying tomake a point that both blaclk and white component in me deserves equal reward without any of which my type never would have existed..  but majority of my type prefer to affilate themselves to white and it’s an obstacle in uniting our society.  partially this is due to publicized aryan thmeory ..which originated during the british colonial time… those days were the days of white supremacist .. these days whites are the most rational people…  atleast in those days the indus civilization was forcefully attributed to the aryan theory… our society fell apart competing to be the coolest race .. but now we know that indus civilization didnt belong to aryans ... but by now the aryan theory has become so popular that even 5 year old kid knows about it. 

the problem is incomplete knowledge !! anyone who has partial knowledge of history will be biased .. but once we dig deeper ..we realize that every race has something to be proud about at some point of time in the history.  the mayans , egyptian , mesopotamia , indus , chinese ,greek , roman , british empire , the current civilization dominated by northern european origin… none of them are supreme beings ... it’s matter of time window ... today white people are the focus point ... it could be the black people after 1000 years!

btw beauty is matter of soft power .. it primarily comes from prosperity and well being.. i’m sure if blacks would have been very prosperous , well groomed and whites would have been poor, rugged like the afghan people beuty would have been defined by the standard of black people.  of course we must accept the current reality the….whites are the most civilized race as of today! but i’m not someone who would affilate myself to white.. because i believe in inherent objective property of human… surely i would have been a pro-white if i would have lived in an era when blacks would have been practicing supremacy over whites.

it’s entertaining to see some of the indians here bashing the chinese and then starting to provoke fights among themselves…
The majority of chinese people (or any other east asian people) don’t even speak english and they won’t be able to see this thread in their life time… so stop fighting imaginary enemies my indian friends.

It’s an interesting topic!

I’ve never taken the whole IQ thing too seriously, but I do think that it raises some interesting points. Taken together with other test results such as science and math Olympiad can give us an interesting look into ‘IQ’ as a whole thing.

The East Asians indeed did very well in math and science competitions. Indians perform far less than expected, frequently fall behind Iran, and even Vietnam. Many Indians tend to find excuses for this shortcoming by pointing to poverty and cultural differences. But we’re all know that Vietnam is a poor country, ravaged by wars, manage to outscore India in almost every Olympiad while Vietnam population is only 1/13 of India!. So what’s the culprit? It’s IQ indeed!

By the way, if you don’t like Lynn’s study, there are many opposing and independent researchers on races and IQ.. one come to mind is Robert Lindsay, he pointed out many holes in Lynn’s theory, and also confirm many of Lynn’s findings.  Google “robert Lindsay IQ”

Richard Lynn is a racist whose work is superficial shallow and dismissed by most respectable academics. He predicted based on IQ scores (sometime in the late 70s) that Japan would be the superpower of the world, based on the IQ scores. We all know what happened to Japan. And yet he is still plugging away at his rubbish. He is a prof emeritus in some stupid Irish university. His ocunterpart

And other thing (if all this crap is true) is the spread of the data. Perhaps the East Asians (because of enhanced quality of life) have improved their IQs but perhaps they are clustered around their average IQs as given.

While for the other countries (esp the White countries), the spread is greater. There are more idiots (like the ones we see here, including me for joing in) and there are more geniuses. I think that definitely is the case for white. Over the last 4 to 5 hundred years they have been remarkably and incredibly inventive, far ourstripping East Asian or Indian contributions to the history of mankind.

Also White conutries suffer from low population growth.

And pointing out individual successess is wrong as this is an average. But one thing true, Chinese living standards are relatively good (because of Communism where they soread the fruits of labor) and Indian standards of living are hugely disparate, from the terrible poverty of the Dalits to the excesses of the filthy rich.

Go read Leon Kamin (God rest his soul)

Well, according to Lynn’s latest study <<the IQ and Global inequalities>> the east asians have a mean iq of 105 with a SD of 16, the SD(Standard Deviation) is higher than that of the whites(mean=100, SD=15).

Note, SD is the number indicates if the IQ is spread wider (higher value indicates wider).

So basically east asians dont lack genius such as Fields Prize and International Math Olympics Gold Medal winner Terry Tao (whose IQ is above 220+) nor they lack idiots.

Ironically, the Jews are the only race that has very narrow SD, the mean iq of Jew is 115, but the SD is only 8.9, which means they should be considered as the race which lacks genius and idiots (i.e. iq spread narrower).

However considering the Jews’ well-known academic success, it may suggest that actually in the academic world,  intelligence is not the only thing.

Maybe personality/culture/living conditions,etc, play a bigger role than IQ, and maybe, in the academic world,  when IQ is beyond a certain required level, it doesnt help you that much, especially considering the extremly high iq person usually lacks motivity, since everything looks so easy to them at the first glance, they lose their interests quickly.

I think IQ itself, even in the academic world,  is highly overrated, therefore we should not take it so seriously.