The Indian/Chinese IQ puzzle
Oh by the way in above post the statement” always accept the superiority of your master” means Chinese posters such as High IQ Ea(basically has got IQ even lesser than my pet dog) such accept the superiority of Bengali Hindus or Christian Living in India(not Muslim scum of Bangladesh)...
Already Sambit has given a hint about your IQ but you are so pathetic that you can not even memorize what I posted in August that in last 14 years 3 Bengali have done Nobel worthy work while in 1979 there was a peace winner from Kolkata (all 4 of these worked in Kolkata and Bangladesh) after British left India but again you are too dumb to comprehend a simple fact which a 5 year old kid can understand.That’s it…I am done with you.Best of luck for future.
@high iq/low iq , I had been busy buddy , e’mei, wu tang style are not well known as Shaolin Kung Fu . the reason these branches don’t get as much exposure in the west is not because of the religious affiliation but due to its inferiority compared to Shaolin Kung Fu, Taoisam has influence on other Chinese martial arts, so ?Popularity itself recalls it, there is no ancient or legendary name like Bodhidharma w.r.t Zen and Shaolin Kung Fu, get me one if you can.
Regarding Nobel prizes neither Indians nor Chinese can claim anything real, as they are like pea nuts when compared to the western and Jewish Contributions. You guys are really wasting time here w.r.t this.
Astro is absolutely right Because India have won only 3 Nobel working in USA with American citizenship Western part of Bengal has already produced Asia’s best literary icon Tagore,Asia’s best Physicist Satyendra Bose,Asia’s one of two Economist who won Economist Nobel laureate(another one is also a Bengali from Bangladesh who won for his pioneering invention of Micro credit),Asia’s one of 3 IEEE plaque winner SIR JC Bose(no Indian or Chinese have won that award),total of 7 Grammy from Kolkata based and Nora Jones Shankaar(daughter of Ravishankar who has won 9 Grammy from USA) and one of greatest movie director Satyajit Ray with less than 60 million population.
Hoping for Swami Vivekananda’s 150 th Birthday anniversary who influenced some of the best mind of west such as luminaries like Nikola Tesla,legendary Russian poet Leo Tolstoy,J.D Salinger,Physicist Lord kelvin and later Beatles guitarist George Harrison who even converted to Hinduism…list goes on!
even in 2010 this group of people has achieved more than entire India and china together which started with Saurya Ray and ended with Kaushik Basu who became the latest Bengali to dominate world of Economics with his appointment as chief Economist of World Bank.
There are 40 % Ashkenazi Jews, 40 % Oriental Jews and 20 % Arabs in Israel. Normally you need to multiple every data with 2.5 as only Ashkenazim do everything. So we can write the equation down as follows:
Israel > Europe + China + India + South Korea + Japan
Israel alone with having no natural resources and spending lots of money to war, surrounded by enemies did far more than any country. The men lose 3 years and the women lose 2 years in army. There is no need to categorize people like whites, East Asians etc. There are only the Ashkenazi Jews and the others. The others can’t see the future, can’t sense the profit, can’t take any risk, can’t invest, can’t and can’t… The others hate the Jews but the Jews got the money!
http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/10/military-veterans-israel-innovation-opinions-contributors-dan-senor-saul-singer.html
Israel boasts the highest density of start-ups in the world (3,850 total, one for every 1,844 Israelis). It has more companies on the NASDAQ than all of Europe, China, India, Korea and Japan combined. In 2008—a year of global economic turmoil—per capita venture investments in Israel were 2.5 times greater than in the United States, more than 30 times greater than in Europe, 80 times greater than in China and 350 times greater than in India.
http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/23830/title/Stem-cell-density-highest-in-Israel/
From 2000-2004, Israeli scientists published 113 articles for each 1 million citizens, followed by Sweden with 82 articles for each 1 million citizens. Switzerland was next with 76 articles, followed by the Netherlands and Austria, according to the study, which was published in the March issue of the German science magazine “Bild der Wissenschaft.” Rounding out the Top 10 per capita were the US, with 47 articles per 1 million citizens, the UK with 44 articles, Canada with 41, and Germany and Finland each with 40 articles per 1 million citizens.
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The above poster is a smart Jewish and my 6th sense is telling he is the same person who came with the name Indian Strategy.Since Sambit has quit the blog then I guess I can handle the above post.First, I am not an economist so I will talk only about science/invention or number of publications you have mentioned here according to best of my knowledge possible.
No of publications:Basically number of publications/patents really don’t make any sense but it’s the quality of the publication which matters most and speaking about quality 3 papers of Einstein published in 1905 made him world famous.Similarly Asia’s greatest Physicist Satyendra Bose made only 25 publications but two of those papers were worth enough to establish Quantum statistics and several other derivations…
But it’s not publication/breakthrough that matter most but quality of inventions that can make a country superpower withing a short span of time and that’s exactly what happened in Europe after renaissance.
Similarly Nikola Tesla came here in USA and almost single handed created another industrial revolution which had a far more impact on rest of the world.Even if I say Tesla alone has contributed more to human civilization than all our Physics laureate together then can anybody disprove me?This is exactly what Tesla said about importance of inventions
“Progressive development of man depends on inventions…money does not matter much to me because all my money has been spent for inventions to make man’s life more easier”.
If a neutrino particle shows the same phenomena as scientist claimed in 2011 then Einstein’s theory of relativity will be gone forever but what Tesla has contributed to us is forever and has more impact on our daily life than any other Inventor/scientist.
So there is the question-Why smart Jewish could not produced any Tesla?Forget about Tesla they have not produced anyone like
Alan Turing(father of computer)
Tim Berners Lee(inventor of WWW)
Charles K Kao(Father of fiber optics and godfather of broadband)
Larry Page and Sergey Brin(inventor of Google)
You see among all those names only Kao has a Nobel prize but all those men have contributed more to our daily life than most of the Nobel laureates.Even this year Nobel was awarded for discovery which would help us to make faster atomic clock but that invention is certainly not more pioneering than WWW or works of Turing or John Von Neumann.
You know when Einstein proposed theory of Relativity Tesla mocked him saying that scientist of today concentrates more on equations and theory rather than providing path breaking inventions.
He later said"Let the future evaluate each one of us according our work and accomplishments…the present is theirs(read Einstein or phonies like Edison/Marconi),the future for which I have really done work is for mine”.And living in 21st century we now can realize what he did for us back in 1890’s and in my opinion future should worship Nikola Tesla.
The obvious question comes in my mind why white/Anglo Saxon are so inventive in nature?Probably the climate where they lived forced them to be inventive but what what were they doing before renaissance?Most probably due to orthodox beliefs of Church(i.e repulsive nature of the religion) Europe lived in dark age till 15th century.I think due to inventive nature of whites they probably created the industrial revolution which ultimately paved the path for their success.Unfortunately Jewish people neither had any renaissance nor they had any industrial revolution…
From my observations Jewish are very smart in analysis/logical argument,providing breakthroughs and certainly very strong in Economics.Even more than 95% famous Jewish scientist/economist have worked in west(all Einstein,Feynman) and got their fame when Israel was not even a politically stable country.So due to inventive nature I would give the winners baton to the white but if you notice only 7-8 countries in Europe are very successful while rest of them are enjoying the achievements of others.
Germany_Smartest among all European and revolutionized the world of Physics in 1st half of 20th century.
Scandinavian_Swiss people with very little population made many breakthroughs but those countries are not achieving the same success in last 4-5 decades.
Brits(super power of Europe),French(very artistic people),Russian(dominated world of Chess),Italy(Center of renaissance) and few other countries.You see Ireland which has higher per capita income than Britain has not contributed anything significant yet to world of science.There are genius who were born in other European countries such as Tesla(Serbian/Croatian) or Some famous mathematician from Hungary or Abel from Norway but those 7/8 countries have rampant intellectual culture over last 500 years.
Yes Israel is publishing more considering the number of Ashkenazi Jew living there but what I have witnessed that Jewish living in USA has more exposure compared to those who came from Israel.On average Jewish are smarter but due to inventive nature and very little extremely high intellectual population they are so successful but the average of them are pretty ordinary.
Japanese are also quite innovative and ever since they have started spending money on education a very distinctive result has come.In 21st century Japanese have won more Nobel than what they did in 20th century and more importantly some of them came working in Japan.Chinese also achieved lot in inventions but in modern era they have just become cheap manufacturing workers.
In south Asia most of the famous Mathematician has come from Tamil Brahmin community(Such as Ramanujan or Srinivas Vardhan) while the best inventors/engineers(Such as J.C Bose,Fazlur Khan,IVF,Amar Bose,Jawed Karim etc) have come from Bengal.Similarly most of the top theoratical Physicist are also Bengali elite upper caste Hindu or Tamil Brahmin.The only exceptions are Punajabi Nobel laureates Khorana,Abdus Salam or Sikh Punjabi inventor Narinder Sing Kapany but except some Bengali rest of them all have done their work in west.
I know we all (be it Jewish,Christian,Hindu or atheist) have some sort of grudge against Muslim because of their repulsive religion but how many people know Arab also had a golden age…
The father of Chemistry Abu Rahim Beruni(or simply Al beruni) was a Muslim scholer from Arab who came in India for studies…Most of the chemical name starting with ‘Al’ came from Muslim world such as Alkali,Alcohol etc…
Ever heard of Avicenna-One of the greatest polymath and another Arabian great who synthesized nearly 700 medicines.
In fact one Muslim told me that modern Algebra has also come from Arab but I have not done enough research on that(please back me up if any Math guy currently following the blog).
So intelligent people can come from any community but you need proper environment,economic stability,investment etc where some white dominated countries lead by America are ruling but after WW2 Europe has also lost the grip due to sudden economic revolution in USA.Let see what happen with US economy in next few decades because rest of the world are also depending on them.
One correction in the above post:Jewish people are smarter on average but due to small fraction of extremely highly intellectual white(most of them are inventive in nature) they are so successful while on average whites are mostly ordinary.Israel is battling against various enemies but it was India which has been attacked by foreign power since the beginning of the civilization and even today it’s threatened by neighbor Pakistan,Afghanistan etc.
I have not shown any vitriol towards anybody but rather I have made an analysis of people of different parts of the world based on their creativity.You know the world record is still held by a Korean guy who scored 240-250 in his IQ test but later could not show any sort of creativity in his later life.
I would rather appreciate a 120 IQ creative mind rather than a 220 IQ robotic man who can’t think,imagine…My own IQ is somewhere around 175-190(tested twice) but i don’t really care about that.I have seen kids around age 12-15 who are all practicing Chess from infant age do score above 150 in IQ test while some famous classical musician may score less than 100.
FYI-Although I don’t know whether it’s true or not but Feynman had a score of 122 when he gave the test in his high school.Tesla did not have any IQ test but he basically made all his inventions based on his pure intuitive power and imagination.Chinese or East Asian are very good in Standardized test and that probably explains their high IQ but if you measure in rural China and take the median it will be certainly less than white.The people who conducted the test certainly should have taken some basic courses in mathematics because without the standard deviation all test are meaningless.The IQ will vary among East Asian,Euro whites(a Brit and an Irish will have different IQ while a Polish will score different compared to a French).Similarly the black who is living in USA/Europe will have higher IQ compared to someone living in Africa/South America.
But on average Ashkenazi Jew of USA are smartest people in the world.
@Sambit
This is a reply to your last post aimed at me.
I don’t visit this stupid blog very often and I have no intention in continuing this stupid discussion with you.
Consider this to be my final response to you on this topic.
since you have questioned me, let me tell you that I am not only a Bengali Calcuttan who recently visited the book fair, but also upper-caste/brahmin myself, but that doesn’t mean that I am interested in talking about Bengalis or upper-castes. I don’t consider myself any special being just because of my birth. In any case, I have no interest in what you think about me or whatever stupid things you say about me.
And I didn’t say that you are Bangladeshi, I merely asked a question. The reason was- while I have seen many Bengalis that are disturbed by immigration from other states, I haven’t seen too many that likes to reject India itself. And If you don’t like muslims, then why even try to use some of their names and praise them?
The problem I have with you is your gross generalizations, stupid assumptions and use of insulting and derogatory words for other Indians and even Chinese. It is here that I can’t agree with you. Of course, at the same time I strongly disagree with people like Indian arts who try to disrespect Bengal.
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Also, looks like you have joined the Tesla cult.I will touch upon Tesla one last time and I have no interest in fuelling this stupid talk. In any case, I don’t expect to penetrate your skull.
There are many people that consider him brilliant. There are many people who consider him a pure crack-pot. Then there are many who consider him a bit of both. The people whose knowledge is not shallow usually belong to the third category.
No doubt Tesla was brilliant, but there is also no doubt that he was a bragger - and a big one at that who made plenty of false and totally unproven claims.
Do you know that Tesla DIDN’T EVEN BELEIEVE IN RADIO WAVES up until at least 1920?
How could a man who didn’t believe in “Hertzian waves”,the fundamental and essential mode for ALL radio transmission , lay claim to have invented radio?
Compare Bose- his article Adrishya Alok in Bengali clearly shows that he knew exactly what he was dealing with.
Tesla’s ideas were very different - he was actually trying to transmit wireless power which remains a pipe dream even today and which he himself never succeeded in doing and possibly lost his job because of that.(Wireless power can be transmitted over small distances, but over long distances it is not only impractical and requiring superior technology to what was available, but potentially dangerous.) In the process he claimed patent for something known as the Tesla coil which happens to be essential for
radios and other areas. Most of Tesla’s fame is actually the result of this Tesla coil. Interestingly, even the Tesla coils were actually not invented by Tesla. There is some evidence that others like Elihu Thompson and William James Morton were using such a device at least several years before Tesla. Also, the device is basically a scaled up version of one of Hertz’s device.
And I hope you know that Tesla NEVER BUILT A WORKING RADIO. There is not a shred of evidence he did. There is only some anecdotal evidence that he demonstrated remotely controlling a boat. That’s nothing impressive and can be done WITHOUT using radio technology and using other primitive forms of wireless technology which already existed, but these only work over relatively short distances.
For example, Nathan B. Stubblefield had demonstrated remotely sending voice years before Tesla. Edison also did some works with wireless induction in the 1980s.
It is clear, in fact, from what Tesla did write, that Tesla actually had only the slightest (if that) understanding of electromagnetic radio physics; he claimed, for example, that “his” electric waves were both immune to the inverse-square law and that they traveled faster than light.
In fact, he rarely ever demonstrated any of his so called “inventions”. For the most part he wrote down whatever he imagined in his head and feeling not even the slightest need to make a working model. You see, a lot of the problems only show up when you try to make a working model for something.
Importantly, for many of the theoretical models and patents of Tesla, even the best of engineers failed to make his designs work.
Infact, some of his designs were so illogical that many engineers felt that it was the work of a crackpot.
And among some examples of his more outrageous claims:
> he claimed that he could transfer electric power itself from one part of the globe to another. Nobody even today can do that. In fact, many physicists think that the laws of physics will not permit something like that, at least not using 19th century equipments like tesla claimes. His notebook models were very impractical and is only feasible over a small distance.
>He claimed that he had received message from martians. Here in 2013, SETI is still unable find any message from aliens , nor has anyone found life on Mars.
>He claimed to have found that relativity is wrong, and argued against einstein that matter does not equate energy, rather it only gains energy from the surroundings. Nobody sane on earth agrees with that.
>He claimed that he could build death rays to remotely kill airplanes. Only recently we were able to build LaSers that strong, but Tesla wasn’t talking about Lasers, but electric rays which is utter madness based on the technology of those days!
>Tesla claimed to have observed cosmic rays traveling faster than the speed of light. They don’t, and even if they did- the technology of those days can’t observe that.
>He claimed many other totally absurd and unproven things.
You don’t get credited for inventing/discovering something by simply claiming that you did. You have to prove your claim.
And like they say- “Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary evidence”.
He rarely ever did. Many of these claims were most likely self-promotional stunts as he was running out of money.
In one of the reports where FBI investigated his works, they stated: “His [Tesla’s] thoughts and efforts during at least the past 15 years were primarily of a speculative, philosophical, and somewhat promotional character often concerned with the production and wireless transmission of power; but did not include new, sound, workable principles or methods for realizing such results.”
Bose and Marconi demonstrated their inventions in a far more convincing manner and with more reliable witnesses than Tesla ever did. Bose’s model can be still found in Calcutta and it still works. There are no preserved working model of any radio from Tesla. There are only clumsy theoretical models which can be interpreted in many ways.
And Tesla did get credit. Tesla is usually credited as one of the fathers of radio technology.
Another gross exaggeration is that in 1943, Marconi’s radio patent was voided in favor of Tesla.
The patent in question was a tuning component for the radio and not the radio itself, and it was not voided in favor of anyone.
That the U.S supreme court voided some of Marconi’s patents in 1943 is true - but the court never declared anyone as the inventor of radio. In fact, the patents that were in question were not the ‘core’ radio components, but added ‘tuning’ components. The biggest challenge that Marconi faced was actually not from tesla , but two other guys named Stone and Lodge. Marconi’s lawyer were able to attack the Tesla patent before the Supreme Court as being science fiction worthy of Jules Verne. The reason was that tesla’s work was highly theoretical and lacked details. Ultimately,it was the work of Stone and lodge that made marconi lose his patent. Another reason was that (the year tesla died) Marconi’s company(marconi himself was long dead) sued the USA govt. and suffered the consequence of going up against the govt when the american supreme court overturned some of marconi’s patents
Some of marconi’s works were based on Tesla’s and many others’ ideas. However, Marconi did not copy Tesla, but built on it and he did demonstrate his work in practice. Ultimately, even in the USA, textbooks write Marconi as the inventor of the radio. Tesla’s obituary far from declaring him the “inventor of radio”, instead diplomatically noted that his “theory of the transmission of radio-frequency energy is at variance with that now accepted”.
Bose’s demonstration was significant and unique for various reasons. he was the first to work with microwaves that allowed him to pass the material barriers like walls or liquid and he was also the first to cover a moderately long distance experimentally. Also, he was the first to use semiconductor components for building a radio. During his continued research , he actually invented various semiconductor components that are in some ways among the foundations of semiconductor electronics that helped create the computers of today. For example, one of his inventions was analogous to solid state diodes. So like Sampan said, in many ways he is like one of the forefathers of modern computers. He also worked out some of the details required for building the modern RADAR. The modern mobile technology owes a lot to him.Also, Marconi’s work that won the Nobel prize has far greater similarities with Bose’s work than Tesla’s . Marconi merely used some of the ideas of tesla, but he didn’t copy him. On the other hand, some of the components in Marconi’s device were almost an exact copy of Bose’s.
When IEEE came to calcutta in 2012 to honour J.C.Bose, the team included Marconi’s grandson. He said that he was amazed to learn that someone from this city originally invented the radio even before his grandfather. No one mentioned Tesla. That’s because Bose’s work was directly connected to Marconi’s work and not Tesla’s.
Bose’s work got finally recognized after a long time and he fully deserves all the credit because he worked on it almost single-hanedly in a relatively isolated environment and with very very limited infrastructure. And I support his grand philosophy to not patent - that knowledge is not about money. In fact, it was only on Vivekanda’s insistence that he later apllied for patents.
As for Nobel, if not given individually to J.C.Bose, then at the very least he should have got a shared award.
If you actually do some research, you will know that Tesla almost never did anything exclusively. For all of his inventions that work, ideas similar to his were floating around in those days.
The thing that Tesla is primarily credited for in text books is - AC current.
And even for AC current, like I said before, it wasn’t actually by Tesla. Alternating Current was developed in principle by Michael Faraday and in practice primarily by Hippolyte Pixii in the early 19th century before Tesla was even born. Tesla himself actually studied the use of AC in college – he had an electrical engineering degree. He did refine AC and introduced the 3 phase induction motor, but there is some evidence that regions of Europe were using similar concepts before Tesla , as well as
evidence of it being independently discovered by few others. As early as the late 1870’s Germany had developed a 2 phase AC generator. August Haselwander, Mikhail Dolivo-Dobrovsky,C.S. Bradley etc all did path breaking works on polyphase AC generation. The Ferraris , as werll as the Ferrantis, independently developed polyphase AC motor before Tesla did. Tesla was merely the first
to patent it. And he actually sued the ferraris for using his patent, even though they invented it independently before Tesla and like Bose, they did not believe in patenting. And the ferraris were not the only ones that he sued. He sued anyone that remotely used any of his patents. Surely, tesla was not the saint who didn’t care about money. Otherwise why even sue others? Why try and build companies? In fact, his whole “free energy” concept was most likely a publicity stunt by a showman. It wasn’t free in his
designs, the power itself came from conventional electrical generators, it wasn’t free energy and neither was generated by his devices. I have much more respect for people like Ferraris who were like Bose and not money-minded than people like tesla who sue people left and right.
As for your claims of Tesla being the inventor of X-rays, that is also false. It is believed that Tesla worked with something similar to X-rays around the same time, or slightly prior to Rontgen. However, at least nearly a dozen men had worked with these rays prior to both of them. For example, Ivan Pulyui’s work pre-dated Tesla’s. It wasn’t until Rontgen, though, that some of them knew what they were dealing with and it was Rontgen that made working with X-ray more practical. And that is why Rontgen is usually
mentioned in textbooks and others are not. Also, it was actually the work that Edison and his assistant Dally did that led to the development of “safe” X-Rays as we know them today, like in the hospitals. In doing so, Dally died of cancer and Edison became very ill and nearly blind. But it is precisely because they suffered that they were able to build devices that enables us to work safely around x-rays.
Tesla surely had a vision and worked on a lot of areas, but Tesla hardly invented anything exclusively.
Tesla’s brilliance was more in being a visionary than in inventing the actual thing. He was in many ways like a Leonardo da Vinci.
Da vinci was a great inventor, but a much greater visionary.
Tesla was a man of ideas. He got a few things right and almost everything else wrong.
Tesla had a mystical streak, and was often secretive about his projects, which has produced a veritable cottage industry of would-be Tesla defenders and acolytes of tesla belonging to the “i almost know science” club and conspiracy culture.
Even most Tesla biographies, if read closely - even the adulating ones - show that Tesla did not understand modern physics and that the world passed him by after about 1899.
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As far as China goes there is no point in insulting them. The truth is that there is no doubt that the Chinese are very intelligent, despite their gross eating habbits.
I have been to most of the continents on this planet. I can tell you that at least on the surface I found China,Singapore and other east Asian countries much more impressive than most of Europe and almost on par with North America. I can also tell you that some of the cities in Africa are at least as impressive as the average Indian metropolitan. The Africans are not all bushmen like many of us tend to think here.
You can argue against it too, I guess, with examples like Dubai - Dubai has the tallest building in the planet, tallest luxurious hotel on earth, they also have artificially built islands -one of a kind. All these are highly impressive. Does that mean Dubai is the most advanced city ? I guess no. But the Chinese are certainly impressive.
I found London to be like a cleaner version of Calcutta. I did some research in Bengali and Calcutta was indeed abit of research in bengali revealed it is likely modelled on London. However, do you know that London itself is modelled on many chinese concepts for a city?
Two great bengalis passed away at the end of 2012. One was Ravi Shankar, whom even the legendary Yehudi Menuhin compared to Mozart and the other was one of the greatest Bengali writers of the era Sunil Gangopadhay. I remember once reading an article written by him where he recalled his recent visit to China . He found, to his surprise, that there are quite a few enthuiasts in China about his writing. And they actually read him and greeted him in Bengali! He said why don’t we make an effort to learn some some of the literature by our neighbours and their language.
Indeed, why don’t we make that effort? We can learn so much. They are a great nation after all.
And let me make one final comment.
As for Intelligence - I don’t know what intelligence is- and I don’t pretend to know.
I certainly don’t think intelligence and IQ are the same thing.
I also think that memory is very important. As someone before pointed out before, a German team took an IQ test of Karsaprov and while his IQ of 135 was impressive, but not exceptional, the area where Kasparov truly excelled was his memory.
If we take the two most famous Tamil Brahmans - Anand and Ramanujan, both of them can be explained to a large extent using memory.
Chess excellence is very much a memory related phenomenon and there are numerous studies that shows it. Chess is much much more about memory than about IQ.
I remember reading an article by the Bengali grandmaster Dibyendu Barua about Anand where he recalled memories of his “friend” Anand where Anand was just roting down entire move lists . Great chess players don’t necessarily outthink opponents, they outmemorize their opponents.
Similarly, Ramanujan wasn’t the kind of mathematician that builds general abstract theories. He was also not the type to write down detailed logical proofs. He was someone who came up with complex specialised results. According to Hardy and Littlewood, Ramanujan had no clear sense of what a mathematical proof was, he worked with a process of part intuition, part induction, part mingled arguments and of which he was entirely unable to give any coherent account.
Nonetheless, his intuition was mostly correct, and it was only on rare occasions that he made mistakes. Of his 3000+ results, only like half a dozen were proven to be false. This suggests that ramanujan was mostly operating on the basis of memories of previously obtained results.
Also, for example, take the story of Ramanujan number, Ramanujan didn’t derive the properties of 1729 instantly, rather, this result can be obtained in one of ramanujan’s earlier notebooks that he worked on while he was in India.
Again , this suggests that Ramanujan had the ability to remember what he had learned. It was largely about memory when it comes to Ramanujan.
It is hardly surprising that Brahmans excelled in memory related activities, because the Brahman culture places maximum importance on memory. It does not need to be highly genetic, for example, one can pass mnemonic techniques within a family down the generations.
The Bengalis, however, have a culture which places more importance on imagination, logic and adventurousness than on memory. The brahmins and semi-brahmin castes (like kayasthas and vaidyas, who are considered below brahmins but above kshatriyas) of Bengal, therefore, have succeeded in a wide variety of fields and not just memory related fields.
The Bengalis seem to excel in a wider variety of fields than most . This might suggest greater general intelligence or IQ. Indeed I checked that there has been not even a single study of IQ in west Bengal. There has been 2 small studies in nearby regions - one in Bihar and one in Orissa, but none for Indian Bengalis. However, if they do it now, nowadays there are so many lower-class immigrants that it will almost certainly give a misleading picture of Bengali IQ
The Tamilians seem to excel in mostly memory related fields. I found that a few of the IQ studies in Tamil Nadu have produced horribly low scores, even lower than most of the rest of India. Either the gap between brahmins and non-brahmins are significantly higher here, or the Strength of Tamilians is their memory and not their IQ.
However, does that matter? Overall, I would say that memory is far more important than IQ.
Neither IQ, nor memory are fixed in stone (or genes) and both can be raised. Possibly, memory is even more flexible than IQ.
If we want to produce our Anands or Ramanujans in Bengal, it is very very important that we build up a memory culture here.
Look at countries like Germany, for example. Memory is king here. They have so many memory related competitions and the winners are treated like celebrities. Women throw their panties at memory champs. (Of course, that would be against the indian culture, but the point is - we need to give importance to memory)
First I have to confess that the stupid disgusting lies in this forum really make me tired and angry. I don’t want to lose time and patience by correcting all of them. But as to the claim in 892nd post that Tesla didn’t believe (!) in radio waves it is just an ordinary Indian lie like the others. I didn’t read all the 3 garbage posts not to go through every sentence. But one can read Margaret Cheney Book about Tesla. The author is also a physicist and the book is much more reliable than any source on the internet. Tesla is the inventor of radio and many other things and he has many patents even for computers. In 1943 the Supreme Court of US cancelled the patent granted for Marconi and stated that Tesla was the inventor. There isn’t anything even for discussion as the decision of the court already represents the history. There is no need to learn about the bottom Indian scientist Bose as I am sure he is one of those overvalued scientists whom only (!) the Indians know about but no one else heard.
As to enhancement of IQ there was another disgusting Indian liar in this forum, Curious Indian who said that if he could find only one study which increased IQit was enough to prove that IQ can rise. No, it is not simple as that. I can easily say the same thing. I can say that if I can only one study which failed to rise it is enough that IQ can’t change. First the most reliable studies were made in America. This is not even open to dispute. America spent much more money than any other country on this subject which some of the studies like Head Start alone cost few billion dollars. Second in America these studies have many observers from both sides as they also represent a political dimension for Republicans and Liberals. So if the Liberals make any kind of trick the Republicans will reject immediately and vice versa. And as I know all those studies I know that there isn’t even one study which the scores didn’t fade in the adulthood. So while there are numerous studies failed in America you can’t easily jump on one stupid study in a stupid third world country and say that IQ can rise (unless if you are not a disgusting Indian liar). If you are saying that education can increase IQ you need to explain why all those reliable studies in America failed. But if you are saying that not every education but a specific method increases IQ then you should bring that method to America, the mainland of these studies. One can’t say that a specific method works in Venezuela but can’t work anywhere else. If there was a specific method found by the scientists it should have become universal and learned by everyone by now. The liberals should have by far copied that method if it existed and finally there is absolutely no specific method found in the US. While discussing one shouldn’t expect much honesty from the Indians.
The discoveries and citations require the ability to ask questions (creativity) which the IQ tests can’t measure. There are also different ways to reach the goal in patents but they require less curiosity as they are the answers to the question of How unlike of What in the discoveries. So it is not a coincidence that the spatial IQ correlates negatively with the interest in arts in the inventors while many creative scientists have high interest in arts. The citations and patents require different IQ profile and personality.
@strategy
So it’s you this time. And here is my final comment to you.
If you haven’t read my first post in details, you should. The USA SC did void some of the patents of Marconi, but these were not the core radio patents, and it NEVER stated anyone as the inventor of radio. The person whose work was most important in voiding these patents was John Stone, and not Tesla(who only got a footnote mention).
Also, it is true that Tesla did not believe in radio waves ( the one described by Hertz and Maxwell and still accepted today). He did later believe in something he called longitudinal space waves. But funnily enough, he actually believed that these waves were utterly useless (in the field of radio)!
His idea of a “radio” was actually almost ridiculous - he believed that waves of electric current must pass through the ground/earth over huge distances at speeds appx. 2.7 times the speed of light.
It’s no wonder that Tesla never succeeded in doing what Marconi did.
Just because Tesla patented the Tesla coil doesn’t mean that Tesla had any clue about how a radio works. The coil basically strengthens transmission signals. And Marconi did not copy Tesla exactly. He would have greatly benefited if he did, because Tesla’s coils were powerful.
Tesla has many biographies - some more reasonable than others, some more ridiculous than others. Cheney’s one has been criticised by many.
Forget biographies, I give you to read two books -
Wireless, by Sungook Hong
and
The Science of Radio, by Paul.J.Nahin
One writer is a physicist and the other an engineer. And these are not biographies, these books actually go into some details to describe why Tesla’s designs were not exactly radio, and why there is not a shred of evidence that Tesla ever demonstrated any radio in practice or that he understood the device.
And if you are still not convinced, you should read Tesla’s own quotes and writings. It’s quite clear that he did not understand radio physics.
Ask yourself this question :
Why do textbooks in USA credit an Italian for the invention, if another American(though immigrant) puts such a strong case?
And why do this Italian’s family (like his grandson) recently accepted an Indian as the first inventor?
The cult of Tesla started because of a bad book written in 1944 and thanks to the internet, it still continues. But like Einstein said - human stupidity is infinite.
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As for IQ and other stuff, I am not even going to that stupid stuff. Others have already answered you.
@Great
You just steal my time. If you don’t believe any source on the internet or any book you can’t (and shouldn’t) expect the other people to believe in source or book. There is no guarantee or proof that your book is more reliable.
As to IQ, yes the others answered me and I answered them. I won’t copy here my old responses. Just read them if you want. The stupid liberals’ super child theory is just a theory which NEVER EVER worked in reality. The Head Start study cost few billion dollars with hundred thousands of students and it was a failure. Just do a search. It was neither the first nor the last study. A true scientist should first interrogate why it didn’t work before rushing into stupid studies which cost only a few thousand dollars with a couple of weeks in third world countries. The American Psychological Association doesn’t even care about those studies as they are not reliable.
After going through some good post I think I have to wrap up the unfinished part regarding Bose,Marconi and Tesla.
First-IQ vs Intelligence:
I agree with Great(who posted before in this blog as To observer) that Intelligence,memory and IQ are 3 different things.If I draw a 2-D graph with IQ on X-axis and intelligence on Y-axis then it will start from origin,have a positive slope but then it will become parallel to X-axis.That’s it will be similar to a graph like a particle moving in constant acceleration after starting with zero velocity for some time t and then for next time period T with constant velocity.
i.e,initially IQ is proportional to intelligence but later with increase of IQ will not affect intelligence.The reason I say this because most of the genius(or even some famous inventor/scientist) had IQ somewhere around 130-160 which may extend up to 180.But you will not find many of them with IQ above that range.That’s above a certain region IQ has no effect on intelligence although the relation will never be an inverse relationship between IQ and intelligence.
Contribution of J.C Bose:
Well I don’t agree with great that Bose can be regarded as father of computer because he did not devised any technique like Turing computation,or did not make a 7- tupple universal technique of Turing machine(or even like Neumann code) but he did contribute in a very significant way.
I have both background in Engineering and Physics and have taken courses in all computer science,semiconductor Physics,Basic,Analog and digital electronics,satellite communication where Bose has made pioneering contributions.
Semiconductor physics/electronics:
According to British Nobel laureate Nevill Mott Bose was the first to use P-N junction in semiconductor use and may even used The recombination technique of electron and hole at junction.He has also invented several of diode(both at micro and macro level) which we use in modern computer and several use of microwave optics.
In Satellite Communication:IEEE has credited him for work on polarizers,depolarizers which has direct effect on Satellite Communication for e.g rain attenuation affect communication process where Bose’s earlier work has allowed us to get rid of it and his biggest contribution here is in fundamentals of mobile communication,direct broadcasting,analog TV,Terrestrial,antenna theory and many more…
The horn Antenna which we use today (in Radio telescope or satellite dishes as it was further developed) was first invented by Bose in 1897.There are several other aspects I can talk but I don’t think all readers will understand about it but certainly J.C Bose was one of the <top 10 greatest inventor of last 200 years>.
Invention of Radio:
I’m not starting it with Maxwell and Hertz(as two pro fathers of Radio) but starting with original fathers of Radio.
Year 1893: Nikola Tesla first man in the world to show theoretical form of radio but he never showed experimental radio.
Year 1894:this the year when Hertz died and in the same year J.C Bose was the first in the world to solve the problem of Hertz frequency and invented radio frequency at milimeter wavelength.In front Of his mentor Eugene Lafont and famous Bengali chemist P.C Ray(father of nitrate compound such as mercurous nitrate) Bose rang a bell in next room of the Principal of the Presidency College-thus it was the first ever communication without wire(I.e wireless) which was done using E.M waves.
year 1895: Bose in Calcutta showed first ever transmission of radio signal for over a mile in front of British Governor general.
Year 1896: In England an young Italian named Guglielmo Marconi also showed Radio transmission for small distance like Bose.
This is the time when both Bose and Marconi realized that they require a strong device(a Coherer) to transmit signal for long distance.
year 1896-97: Bose finally solves the problem of Coherer and invent a strong iron-mercury Coherer.
Year 1897-99:After this invention British Physicist Lord Rayleigh(John Strutt) invited Bose to deliver a presentation of his invention at the then greatest scientific organisation of the world-ROYAL SOCIETY of Britain.
In front of Lord Kelvin and Rayleigh he showed his invention and everyone was overwhelmed…
English Journal Electrician wrote “Should professor Bose succeed in perfecting and patenting his Coherer,we may in time see the whole system of coast lighting throughout the navigable world revolusionised by a Bengali scientist working single handed in our presidency college laboratory”.
Bose perfected the Coherer but never patented it.
Marconi:When Bose went give his lecture in London one of the agent of Marconi’s company came to him and offered him a big money package so that Bose does not deliver the lecture which Bose turned down.
The agent said “you don’t know how much money you have missed here” and Bose wrote this incident to his best friend Bengali Nobel laureate poet Rabindranath Tagore through a letter which is still available in Calcutta.
Plagiarist and liar Marconi:When Bose delivered his lecture and showed his invention Marconi might have been there but somehow he got the design of that Coherer about which he never revealed the truth.In future Marconi was asked about the source of that Coherer and he was a blatant liar"That was given to me by one of my childhood friend P.Castelli but Castelli denied.The Coherer which was known at that time Italian navy Coherer was actually the design of the same Coherer invented by Bose where Marconi made just one change-The was turned from it’s original u-shape.
That was the time when even his countrymen was astonished that how some one with no university degree(Marconi did not join university due to his poor high school record) could do such nobel work.
When he was asked by Britain’s Royal society for a lecture he said “I am not a scientist,I don’t know how it works"in a question where he was asked about how radio wave would penetrate through mountains etc because it was a simple copy he did about which he had no idea.
In 1998 an IEEE historian and engineer P.Bandopadhya who is also a Indian Bengali revealed the entire story through a 27 page publication lead IEEE to finally honor Bose in 2012.
So who are the fathers of Radio-IEEE has declared Bose,Tesla,Marconi and even Russian Popov who was also working on it at that time but never experimentally showed communication before Bose/Marconi.
So in my opinion 1909 Nobel could have been awarded to Bose and Marconi(if Bose would have patented) or all 3 of Bose,Marconi and Tesla because it is true that some of designs of Marconi was exact to that of Tesla’s invention.
#I think we must read the comments of curious Indian here because my instinct says that he is a special one,an inventor(most probably) and may well be Narinder Singh Kapany,the inventor of optical fiber(it’s just my guess after reading his posts).
also read this official IEEE link where they have published the work of Bose and Raman which was honored-theinstitute.ieee.org/technology-focus/technology-history/first-ieee-milestones-in-india
I made a short post here and another official IEEE website about legacy of Bose just few daysafter he was honored along with Raman.
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